Having read this thread, the ironic thing is that Steve would be a great house-n-word back in the day.

"Guys, the government gives you roads and fights terrorists and etc, and all they ask is that you have a stupid chip implanted in you? If you have nothing to hide there is no problem."

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So I'm not a big fan of random drug tests. Pre-employment is fine.

However, let's say that someone clearly showed up to work on a drug. For this scenario, let's ignore caffeine and marijuana. Also, let's ignore alcohol, though in many jobs even having alcohol is probably valid for the question.

Would anyone be against an employer drug testing that person? I would not.

In my opinion though, I think many would complain about unfairness or targeting certain people. Which then leads to the need to just make them random for "fairness".

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That is probably something on the docket for our leaders to discuss.

The drug testing is, most of the time, a racket. If you are operating heavy machinery, driving a truck etc. I can understand the company wanting to test you, but most of the time it's for positions that shouldn't require it. But there are companies that provide the labs, the insurance companies give discounts, someone in state/local govt. is connected to the labs and on and on it goes. I would be willing to bet 10 bucks that there wouldn't be a performance/efficiency difference between one office that tests and one that doesn't.

I've been tested once, it was for a private drivers education position where I was going to be in a car with 3 other students. I can understand that.

If you come to work fucked up I wouldn't be against you getting tested. But your final point is a good one, how can someone really tell if an employee is high?

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Was American business stronger or weaker when guys took three Martini lunches and smoked at their desks all day long?

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and banged the secretary ?

Let's make America great again!

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Thats funny......Lets take Baseball as an example. The owner builds the stadium (used to be, without public money) they employ scouts and executives to identify/sign players, they employ coaches to develop the players, they provide transportation to/from games as well as housing (on the road) in hotels as well as food (day game spread as well as money for meals besides the one served at the ballpark)all this besides their salaries and all the player has to do is to play the game. The overhead for the owner is astronomical.

Take it to a more common level-an electrical contractor. The contractor has to get the jobs to provide the employee with work. He has to purchase all the wire, and other materials needed for jobs. He has to pay for the trucks they use as well as the gas/insurance for those vehicles. the worker just has to show up and do his job. The contractor has to hope he does it well enough to make money, rather than losing money on his labor. Having ballplayers, electricians or any kind of employee using drugs, presents an element that almost ensures that the employee will perform at a lesser level, making it unlikely he/she will make a profit for the business owner and much more likely that they will have an injury that can adversely effect the bottom line.

Unions may never go out of style. But with all the states that have enacted right to work laws, they are becoming irrelevant in many areas.

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What if the adult lives in Colorado or Washington?


And I will again ask, does anyone here know anyone who lost their job family and kids because they smoke weed?

America was stronger when it was more of an industrial power. A country that built things, rather than exporting jobs to 3rd world countries, where labor is cheaper. I don't think that drinking alcohol or smoking helped in any way.

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I noticed you stuck to the hard drugs and not weed.

The problem is these tests only show the hard drugs if theyve been taken in the past couple days, but weed shows up for 30

But you cannot deny that those making the products were drunk and constantly smoking.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
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With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I'm sure this was posted while you were sipping a vodka or Scotch.

Grow the fuck up!

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Stop going for the easy buck and start producing something with your life. Create, instead of living off the buying and selling of others.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Are you sure?

Driving impaired laws seem very vague. I mean if someone was absolutely freaking on copious amounts of caffiene, Im sure they could slap em with a DUI or DWI

Good point.

If safety is what were after, we need to test people for alcohol. The whole "they can still be impaired the next day" is even more likely with alcohol

Well boys, it's Friday, so I'm going to hit Grand & Western to pick up a couple cases for the guys. We'll call it a day when the first caller starts slurring his script.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Forgetting this silly endless debate we have where no one even considers changing their position, the saddest part is the complete surrender to corporate overlords that is going on.


If our founding fathers read some of the things in this thread and justifications for why a company and police are allowed to do ___ and why its reasonable is absolutely sad and the definition of UnAmerican

Sure do. I knew a guy who worked as a framing carpenter who fell off a ladder and died because he was smoking pot while on the job. He lost everything. The 2 kids he left behind lost a lot too. He was just a guy I saw on a job we were doing on new construction. His widow filed a lawsuit against the contractor that employed him, but because it was shown he was under the influence of Marijuana, it was dismissed. Good reason not to employ drug users. It was in the 90's the day it happened and many initially thought he may have collapsed from heat exhaustion. But they found pot on him and tests showed he had a high level of THC in his blood system. Dumbass...I imagine there are many fatal accidents whether they involve an automobile accident or heavy machinery that involve the use of Marijuana. Those people lose all the things you mention. Unfortunately, they may cause an accident that cost the lives of others as well as their own. If you look strictly at people that have lost their JOB (only) due to smoking pot, the numbers have to be pretty high. Employers don't want the liability issues that go with employing such individuals. Thus drug testing...

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Our founding fathers didn't really care at all about workers rights.

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3/5ths of slaves agree with you.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

I know that you are joking, but the Martinis & Cigs weren't the reason that American Business was strong back in the day. NAFTA, Globalism & the Internet are the reasons that American Business isn't what it used to be.
Having said that, I would have LOVED to have been in my Business 20 years earlier. Mad Men indeed!

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

Agreed. I don't see them as bad automatically. But I also don't give them the benefit of the doubt either, way too much history of corruption in both arenas.

We are waaaaay over regulated at this point.

No, they were more concerned with over reaching government.

But at that point, the corporations didnt own most of the government as they do now. I believe they would be pretty concerned if it were.

He lost everything because he's an idiot who was irresponsibly getting high on the job.

I was speaking of someone who does it occasionally on their own time.

I don't drink Scotch. Vodka is another story...

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We don’t have a trillion-dollar debt because we haven’t taxed enough; we have a trillion-dollar debt because we spend too much. — Ronald Reagan

They were concerned with over reaching federal government because of the experiences with England. In reality, they still gave the government a lot of power. They just envisioned it at the state level instead of the federal level. That has slowly shifted back to the federal government.

They did the Bill Of Rights, but they also left the door wide open for pretty much everything the government became.
Money still ruled. We call it a corporation today. We called them plantation owners and shipping companies back then.

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