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The problem with the "gay movement" is that it has positioned itself as a civil rights movement. Yet it basically demonizes anyone who would be opposed to that movement. How can such a so-called "tolerant movement" be so intolerant of those who disagree with their behavior?

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The gay movement doesn't want to talk about the relationship between sexual abuse and same-sex attraction. There is a correlation there and that doesn't have anything to do with genes.
Do you know what a recessive gene is?

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 Post subject: Re: cost of college
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Do you believe Homosexuality is a psychological disorder?



I don't think I'm in a position to state what is a psychological disorder with any expertise.

If you are asking if I believe that there are people that were once homosexual and no longer are, then I would be stupid to deny that because it's an objective truth.

Same thing apply to heterosexuality?



It would not surprise me.

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 Post subject: Re: cost of college
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
The gay movement doesn't want to talk about the relationship between sexual abuse and same-sex attraction. There is a correlation there and that doesn't have anything to do with genes.
Do you know what a recessive gene is?


Either way, there is no gene.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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The gay movement doesn't want to talk about the relationship between sexual abuse and same-sex attraction. There is a correlation there and that doesn't have anything to do with genes.
Do you know what a recessive gene is?


Either way, there is no gene.

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 Post subject: Re: cost of college
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Either way, there is no gene.
Interesting theory. Where do you think behavioral tendencies come from?

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The problem with the "gay movement" is that it has positioned itself as a civil rights movement. Yet it basically demonizes anyone who would be opposed to that movement. How can such a so-called "tolerant movement" be so intolerant of those who disagree with their behavior?

So the civil rights movement should have to be down with Klan rallys too? You are all over the place on this.


The civil rights movement jumped the shark with affirmative action.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Either way, there is no gene.
Interesting theory. Where do you think behavioral tendencies come from?


Jesus. Duh.

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Either way, there is no gene.
Interesting theory. Where do you think behavioral tendencies come from?


Your choices.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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Either way, there is no gene.
Interesting theory. Where do you think behavioral tendencies come from?


Your choices.
No. I'm asking why brains have certain tendencies. Where does that come from? What determines that I love to argue on the internet?

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 Post subject: Re: cost of college
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
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Mini Ditka wrote:
Either way, there is no gene.
Interesting theory. Where do you think behavioral tendencies come from?


Your choices.
No. I'm asking why brains have certain tendencies. Where does that come from? What determines that I love to argue on the internet?

Something in the water in West Lafayette?

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 Post subject: Re: cost of college
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Mini Ditka wrote:
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Either way, there is no gene.
Interesting theory. Where do you think behavioral tendencies come from?


Your choices.
No. I'm asking why brains have certain tendencies. Where does that come from? What determines that I love to argue on the internet?


I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."

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I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."
I can choose to no longer identify myself as an argumentative prick but it doesn't change who I really am.

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I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."
I can choose to no longer identify myself as an argumentative prick but it doesn't change who I really am.


Truth.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."
I can choose to no longer identify myself as an argumentative prick but it doesn't change who I really am.


That's kind of like saying that Oscar Pistorius is not responsible for killing the girlfriend because he is missing his legs. I mean wouldn't you want to kill someone if you were missing your legs? Why should he go to jail? Isn't having no legs like a prison in itself? He had to do it. You know you'd do it too.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."
I can choose to no longer identify myself as an argumentative prick but it doesn't change who I really am.


That's kind of like saying that Oscar Pistorius is not responsible for killing the girlfriend because he is missing his legs. I mean wouldn't you want to kill someone if you were missing your legs? Why should he go to jail? Isn't having no legs like a prison in itself? He had to do it. You know you'd do it too.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

It's nothing like that.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

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That's kind of like saying that Oscar Pistorius is not responsible for killing the girlfriend because he is missing his legs. I mean wouldn't you want to kill someone if you were missing your legs? Why should he go to jail? Isn't having no legs like a prison in itself? He had to do it. You know you'd do it too.
Can you elaborate on this?

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It's like someone who is fat and says, "I have the fat gene." There may be certain predispositions in the family, but ultimately you have to come the place where you accept responsibility. Well, I may be fat, but it's because I have chosen to overeat.

Once you realize you've made a choice to be where you are, then you can make a choice to take a different course.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."
I can choose to no longer identify myself as an argumentative prick but it doesn't change who I really am.


So are you saying you are not an argumentitive prick by choice?

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So are you saying you are not an argumentitive prick by choice?
Anyone with a basic understanding of the nature/nurture debate would know that how I am can be controlled but ultimately how I am is based in part due to the genetic code that your God chose to give me.

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So are you saying you are not an argumentitive prick by choice?
Anyone with a basic understanding of the nature/nurture debate would know that how I am can be controlled but ultimately how I am is based in part due to the genetic code that your God chose to give me.



Sorry BRick. You control your own behaviors to a large extent.

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Sorry BRick. You control your own behaviors to a large extent.
Less than you'd think. I'd cite science but as we've established you really wouldn't care.

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Mini Ditka wrote:
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I do not know, but the fact that many people previously identified themselves as "homosexual," but no longer identify as such leads me to believe there is a choice. You do have to choose whether to engage in inappropriate relationship with members of the same sex or to acknowledge those relationships are not appropriate regardless of "how you feel."
I can choose to no longer identify myself as an argumentative prick but it doesn't change who I really am.


That's kind of like saying that Oscar Pistorius is not responsible for killing the girlfriend because he is missing his legs. I mean wouldn't you want to kill someone if you were missing your legs? Why should he go to jail? Isn't having no legs like a prison in itself? He had to do it. You know you'd do it too.

That's excactly right. I know this because I saw the Fugitive and people who are missing limbs cannot be tried for crimes. It's fact.

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Correct. That's why Ron Santo and that surfer girl who fed her arm to a shark (not our SHARK) never even got a traffic ticket.

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It's always convenient to blame your genes or your environment for your problems in life. As though those things are the only things that control your behavior. Certainly they do play a big role, but if you choose not to say you have a choice then you've chosen to be a victim of your circumstance. It's like saying because a man is from a rough background that he is justified in committing crimes because he was born into an impoverished family.

The pattern of denial has to be broken in terms of what was the man was born with and what he must choose to do with his life. It's like saying I am merely the product of my genes and environment and I cannot possibly change, so I should not be expected to change. To say you don't have a choice is to choose to not change.

In the illustration about Pistorius, he can't change the fact that he doesn't have legs. But he shouldn't try to use it as a justification for murder either. The man born in a poor family didn't choose to be in a poor family, but he did choose to commit crime. A person who is described as "gay" may not choose to have those feelings how ever they developed. But that person is responsible for what they choose to do with those feelings. You can get help or you can deny there is a problem and take no responsibility for your action.

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It's sad that you view being gay as having a problem.

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