That post does a great job of showing the irrational nature of many religious people.

I guess Mini Ditka is going to act like his NAMBLA post did not exist.

Id say "Ok"


But Id be skeptical

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

Would you be opposed to someone exploring their sexuality further in counseling?

Mini Ditka,
Why did you delete your NAMBLA post?

But there is a relationship between molestation and homosexuality.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

I thought my other point was more relevant. I find NAMBLA to pretty disturbing and even the gay movement wants to distance itself from pedophilia, I don't think it necessarily can. Not all gay people are sexual molesters or sexual molesters would generally be considered to be gay. But there is a relationship between molestation and homosexuality. The fact that a boy would be molested by a man and later in life desire sex with men makes too much sense. I think it's one of the missing links in the chain. I find it very disturbing that someone could say they are gay and were molested, but the molestation did not have any effect. I have yet to hear someone say I was born this way and I would have been gay even if I was not molested.

So, what about hetero molestation?

I thought my other point was more relevant. I find NAMBLA to pretty disturbing and even the gay movement wants to distance itself from pedophilia, I don't think it necessarily can. Not all gay people are sexual molesters or sexual molesters would generally be considered to be gay. But there is a relationship between molestation and homosexuality. The fact that a boy would be molested by a man and later in life desire sex with men makes too much sense. I think it's one of the missing links in the chain. I find it very disturbing that someone could say they are gay and were molested, but the molestation did not have any effect. I have yet to hear someone say I was born this way and I would have been gay even if I was not molested.

#Truth

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

So, what about hetero molestation?

You have showed your obvious bias in this thread toward private schools, catholic schools and Catholics in general.

I'm not sure why you felt anyone who can read didn't see it earlier and needed your picture book instead.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

So, Bryan, are you hereby giving as your professional scientific opinion that the cause of homosexuality is, with 100% certainty, unequivocally not the result of any biological or chemical element(s)?

. . . Besides, I did not describe homosexuality as any psychological disorder. Is being female a psychological disorder? Any psychological phenomena would only be due to the underlying effects of hormonal changes (pre-natal?) upon the body's biological sexual-selection mechanisms (hypothalamic nuclei, etc.).

There are lesbian women who have been molested by men as well. Molestation for a woman could lead to lesbianism, it could lead to being sexually promiscuous (i.e. doing porn, working as a prostitute), gaining weight to protect a woman from being looked at by men or other things.

You have showed your obvious bias in this thread toward private schools, catholic schools and Catholics in general.

I'm not sure why you felt anyone who can read didn't see it earlier and needed your picture book instead.

Where is the bias? Cardinal Ratzinger before he became pope presided over one of the biggest scandals and coverups in church history.

The victims are the American People and the Republic itself.

How can you link homosexuality and molestation and not heterosexuality and molestation?

Why is one attached to a certain sexuality and the other free and clear?

I dont think you've thought all these stances all the way through

You have repeated an oft made claim. Please feel free to provide some basis for it.

The Wisconsin case involved an American priest, the Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy, who worked at a renowned school for deaf children from 1950 to 1974. But it is only one of thousands of cases forwarded over decades by bishops to the Vatican office called the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, led from 1981 to 2005 by Cardinal Ratzinger. It is still the office that decides whether accused priests should be given full canonical trials and defrocked.

In 1996, Cardinal Ratzinger failed to respond to two letters about the case from Rembert G. Weakland, Milwaukee’s archbishop at the time. After eight months, the second in command at the doctrinal office, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, now the Vatican’s secretary of state, instructed the Wisconsin bishops to begin a secret canonical trial that could lead to Father Murphy’s dismissal.

But Cardinal Bertone halted the process after Father Murphy personally wrote to Cardinal Ratzinger protesting that he should not be put on trial because he had already repented and was in poor health and that the case was beyond the church’s own statute of limitations.

Father Murphy not only was never tried or disciplined by the church’s own justice system, but also got a pass from the police and prosecutors who ignored reports from his victims, according to the documents and interviews with victims. Three successive archbishops in Wisconsin were told that Father Murphy was sexually abusing children, the documents show, but never reported it to criminal or civil authorities.

Instead of being disciplined, Father Murphy was quietly moved by Archbishop William E. Cousins of Milwaukee to the Diocese of Superior in northern Wisconsin in 1974, where he spent his last 24 years working freely with children in parishes, schools and, as one lawsuit charges, a juvenile detention center. He died in 1998, still a priest.

I am not a legal expert, how many times do I have to say it?

It's more fun to be a victim

There will never be an effective vaccine. I'll never get one anyway.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

One thing is certain here, this is the greatest thread start ever by ontiveros

If you don't read my posts (i.e. basically thereby declaring that you do not care how or what I may think on the matter), yet you proceed to ask me questions about what I believe. . . I don't see the point - beyond being purposely annoying, of course.

Yeah and it could use a good old fashioned gif bombing.

Yeah and it could use a good old fashioned gif bombing.

rpb is wrong. Phil McCracken is useful.

RPB is right. You suck.

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