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In my opinion, NASCAR needs to get creative & do more if this in other races. NASCAR attendance is down, & the lousy quality of racing is part of the reason. I love going to local tracks like Grundy County, Rockford Speedway, & Madison International Speedway for the short heat races. It makes for exciting racing, which is something that is sorely lacking in NASCAR.

Do you ever have any positive comments, or just come here to bitch constantly?


I post plenty of positive comments. If you would prefer, I can sugarcoat the current NASCAR situation & say that the racing is great & everything is wonderful, but its not.

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There is a strong rumor that he said the Daytona pole was rigged. He's probably right. There is no one Nascar, Fox, Sprint.....etc. wanted on that pole more than who was on it. They had all off season to make sure that car was hooked up.

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He used a racial slur.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
He used a racial slur.


At least he didn't call someone a Caller Bob. Then he'd be worse than a child molester.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
He used a racial slur.

Did he "become" Mel Gibson or Michael Richards?

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Scorehead speaks, Nascar listens:

NASCAR to evaluate 'Gen 6' cars: NASCAR plans to meet with Sprint Cup teams to discuss whether tweaks are needed to the new "Gen 6" car before the next restrictor plate race.


KS...MY GUY!

I told you guys that the Gen 6 car is a big problem & the racing is crap & that NASCAR would need to address this.
Supposedly there was a gag order issued from NASCAR to all drivers to refrain from making comments that were critical of the Gen 6 car. You see what happened to the Nationwide driver who made critical tweets.
NASCAR has finally got to the point where they have made the new car so safe that it has taken away the 2 most important aspects of racing...passing & drafting.
Let the tweaking begin!

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I think he said something about too many commercial breaks during the race.

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I'm trying to read between the lines and parse what he actually said... :?:

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My guess is that he said something about hillbillies or rednecks or white trash. Something like that.

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The www.nascar.com website redesign is the absolute worst website in modern history. There is no debate. We've had a solid 15 years of website development in our society. College graduates have spent their entire lifetimes using and working with the internet, attending school, and understanding the critical factors in making a website user-friendly and functional and NASCAR couldn't find one of those touchy-feely, artsy bastards TO DESIGN THEIR SITE!?!?!

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
The http://www.nascar.com website redesign is the absolute worst website in modern history. There is no debate. We've had a solid 15 years of website development in our society. College graduates have spent their entire lifetimes using and working with the internet, attending school, and understanding the critical factors in making a website user-friendly and functional and NASCAR couldn't find one of those touchy-feely, artsy bastards TO DESIGN THEIR SITE!?!?!

Screw you, NASCAR!

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Phoenix TV Ratings: NASCAR Sprint Cup Series racing on FOX averaged a 5.3/11 yesterday afternoon among the metered markets for the Subway Fresh Fit 500 from Phoenix. That's up +6% over last year's 5.0/10 and ranks as the top-rated event of a full sports weekend. Yesterday's race also ties as the best metered market rating for the first post Daytona race since 2008 (6.1/10).. Yesterday's race opened with a 4.6/10 at 3:30pm and grew steadily throughout the telecast as it peaked at a 6.2/12 in the final half-hour (6-6:30pm) as #99-Carl Edwards snapped a 70 race winless streak to win the race. Through two telecasts, NASCAR Sprint Cup Racing on FOX is averaging a 7.7/17 among the metered markets, up +20% over last year's season-to-date average of a 6.4/11.


Travis Kvapil's return continues to captivate a nation.

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New look for the #88 at Las Vegas: #88-Dale Earnhardt Jr, will carry an orange, white and black AMP Energy Chevy at Las Vegas this weekend. AMP and Diet Mountain Dew are scheduled to be the primary sponsor for five races on the #88 in 2013.




Image

Very cool.

I miss seeing the orange #20 car on the track.

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NASCAR fines Denny Hamlin $25,000 for critical comments about racing at Phoenix
By Jay Busbee | From The Marbles – 1 hour 2 minutes ago

NASCAR has fined Denny Hamlin $25,000 for making what officials perceived as inexcusably critical comments about the new Generation 6 car after last Sunday's Phoenix race. As NASCAR said in a statement:
"Following the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series event last Sunday at Phoenix International Raceway, Denny Hamlin made some disparaging remarks about the on-track racing that had taken place that afternoon. While NASCAR gives its competitors ample leeway in voicing their opinions when it comes to a wide range of aspects about the sport, the sanctioning body will not tolerate publicly made comments by its drivers that denigrate the racing product."

What exactly did Hamlin say? He had some postrace comments about the racing and the car that appeared to be critical, but did they rise to the level of denigration?

"I don't want to be the pessimist, but it did not race as good as our Generation 5 cars [a.k.a. "Car of Tomorrow"]," Hamlin said. "This is more like what the Generation 5 was at the beginning. The teams hadn't figured out how to get the aero balance right. Right now, you just run single-file and you cannot get around the guy in front of you. You would have placed me in 20th-place with 30 (laps) to go, I would have stayed there — I wouldn't have moved up. It's just one of those things where track position is everything."
Here's another line: "I hate to be 'Denny-downer,' but I just didn't pass that many cars today. That's the realistic fact of it."
If those are indeed the comments that got Hamlin fined, that's just flat-out ridiculous. Hamlin was stating facts about passing and single-file racing, and noted that the teams still need to determine how best to get the cars up to speed.
"I do believe we give our drivers a lot of flexibility when it comes to that, whether it be about officiating or about how a race is called," NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp told several reporters in Las Vegas on Thursday. "The main area of focus here we take exception to is the product, the racing. That's our brand, that's the drivers' brand, that's the sport's brand and that's an area we feel very strongly about."

Still, there's protective and there's paranoid. NASCAR is understandably and justifiably proud of the Gen 6 car; its appearance compared to the Car of Tomorrow is like comparing Beyonce to a brick. Fining a driver for commentary like this comes off as petty, and we're not talking The King.

The chief complaint among lapsed and wavering NASCAR fans is that the drivers are whitebread, vanilla automatons compared to their forebears. It's tough to get NASCAR drivers to show more personality, but it's an easy matter indeed to get them to show less: pop them every time they step out of a proscribed line.

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Denny has some points, but he was one reckless sob coming down that home stretch.


That was pretty freakin sweet if you ask me. Reminded me of old NASCAR videos from the 60s.

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Sunday was a bit boring to me so I guess I agree with Hamlin. If I want to watch lines of cars racing making their moves for the lead via pit stops I will watch Indy cars. They look cooler.

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Only the buffoons who run NASCAR could take something as inherently exciting as car racing and make it boring.

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‏For those asking, Fox Sports 1 replaces Speed. Effective Aug 17.[/size][/b]


This sucks big time. Racing is big enough to have its own channel. I understand that Fox Sports wants to compete with ESPN, CBS Sports & NBC Sports, but transitioning Speed to Fox Sports 1 & getting rid of the only channel devoted to racing sucks. Racing will most certainly take on a smaller role on the station, & eventually will go away...unless Fox attempts to move NASCAR races from Fox to Fox Sports 1.

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NASCAR fines Denny Hamlin $25,000 for critical comments about racing at Phoenix
By Jay Busbee | From The Marbles – 1 hour 2 minutes ago

NASCAR has fined Denny Hamlin $25,000 for making what officials perceived as inexcusably critical comments about the new Generation 6 car after last Sunday's Phoenix race. As NASCAR said in a statement:
"Following the NASCAR Sprint Cup Series event last Sunday at Phoenix International Raceway, Denny Hamlin made some disparaging remarks about the on-track racing that had taken place that afternoon. While NASCAR gives its competitors ample leeway in voicing their opinions when it comes to a wide range of aspects about the sport, the sanctioning body will not tolerate publicly made comments by its drivers that denigrate the racing product."

What exactly did Hamlin say? He had some postrace comments about the racing and the car that appeared to be critical, but did they rise to the level of denigration?

"I don't want to be the pessimist, but it did not race as good as our Generation 5 cars [a.k.a. "Car of Tomorrow"]," Hamlin said. "This is more like what the Generation 5 was at the beginning. The teams hadn't figured out how to get the aero balance right. Right now, you just run single-file and you cannot get around the guy in front of you. You would have placed me in 20th-place with 30 (laps) to go, I would have stayed there — I wouldn't have moved up. It's just one of those things where track position is everything."
Here's another line: "I hate to be 'Denny-downer,' but I just didn't pass that many cars today. That's the realistic fact of it."
If those are indeed the comments that got Hamlin fined, that's just flat-out ridiculous. Hamlin was stating facts about passing and single-file racing, and noted that the teams still need to determine how best to get the cars up to speed.
"I do believe we give our drivers a lot of flexibility when it comes to that, whether it be about officiating or about how a race is called," NASCAR spokesman Kerry Tharp told several reporters in Las Vegas on Thursday. "The main area of focus here we take exception to is the product, the racing. That's our brand, that's the drivers' brand, that's the sport's brand and that's an area we feel very strongly about."

Still, there's protective and there's paranoid. NASCAR is understandably and justifiably proud of the Gen 6 car; its appearance compared to the Car of Tomorrow is like comparing Beyonce to a brick. Fining a driver for commentary like this comes off as petty, and we're not talking The King.

The chief complaint among lapsed and wavering NASCAR fans is that the drivers are whitebread, vanilla automatons compared to their forebears. It's tough to get NASCAR drivers to show more personality, but it's an easy matter indeed to get them to show less: pop them every time they step out of a proscribed line.


I told you CSFMB racing fans a few weeks ago that the Gen 6 car was going to be a problem for NASCAR. I told you last week that NASCAR had put a gag order on NASCAR drivers, prohibiting them from making comments that are critical of the Gen 6 car. Hamlin speaks up & he gets fined $25K. The drivers don't like this car. The racing sucks.
Stay tuned racing fans!

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what's the difference beside the shape of the car?

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such as.....???

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such as.....???


Changing the shape of the car is a huge change. It disrupts the air around the cars in a much different way and some of the analysis that I've seen shows that when the two cars get side by side it disrupts the air enough to slow down the momentum of the approaching car.

Similar concerns were made when the COT first was raced. Kyle Busch famously calling it a piece of shit after he won the first race. I expect some tweaks will be made by NASCAR and some team will hit on the setup to give them an advantage and kick some ass until everybody else catches up - just like last time.

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Everyone was saying this was a good thing a month ago. Differentiation. Better handling. Higher speeds. Less drafting. Now it's a piece of shit?

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Everyone was saying this was a good thing a month ago. Differentiation. Better handling. Higher speeds. Less drafting. Now it's a piece of shit?

They can say what they want, but that was before they had 43 cars on the track and see how they react. After this weekend, they will have a much better idea about the car good or bad. They will have a raced at a superspeedway, a shorter track and a 1.5 mile oval.

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Everyone was saying this was a good thing a month ago. Differentiation. Better handling. Higher speeds. Less drafting. Now it's a piece of shit?


That was at Daytona. I don't think they question that it has higher speed and the differentiation is the main selling point of the change.

They will develop the handling and drafting aspects as they get more data as Hawg Ass said. Drivers are notorious for bitching about stuff. It's a big change and you can only model so much on a computer. They'll get it figured out by the All-Star race.

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Drivers are notorious for bitching about stuff.


This. I just can't see how, logically, differentiating the cars can lead to more parity.

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This. I just can't see how, logically, differentiating the cars can lead to more parity.


I think they addressed that it wasn't meant for parity. The Good Ol' Boy network has been making it pretty clear that they want to be able to differentiate the cars. Count me in on that also.

So, NASCAR is doing this even though it is possible that one of the noses could have a competitive advantage. I believe the thinking is that any advantage can be offset by other adjustments and the risk is worth it.

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