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Probation or no probation, life is too short to have people walking all over you... especially a snooty little brat of a neighbor. Fucking little bitch has the audacity to complain about music being too loud on a friday night? You should be able to play any kind of music as loud as you want it on a friday night, that's an unwritten rule.


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Your neighbor sounds like an asshole,but then again if the music is not loud,how does he know your playing music?

Everybody is different. I can fall asleep listening to loud music or the WSCR.

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Your neighbor sounds like an asshole,but then again if the music is not loud,how does he know your playing music?

Everybody is different. I can fall asleep listening to loud music or the WSCR.


10:30 on a fucking friday. Doesn't matter how loud it is.


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10:30 on a friday night and this prick is coming over to your house? Your private property? Fuck him! Don't lie down and let this shit go, this is worth fighting for. He has to work in the morning, who fucking cares?! That's his goddamn problem, not yours! This is not 1:00 on a sunday night/monday morning, you shouldn't have to tip toe around this son of a bitch's schedule. People have gotten too confident, this guy should have been trembling with anxiety and fear when thinking of confronting you. I understand you don't want things to be hostile or awkward with your neighbor because you have to live next to him, but you can't have this guy walking all over you. What has this fucking world come to when you can't play loud music in your own home on a friday night? You dragged your ass around for an entire week busting your ass to support yourself in anticipation of unwinding finally on friday night and this prick is trying to take that away from you, don't let him.


the thing i am in fear of....is that i am on probation for another matter for another 6 months, basically
i don't really want to have any kind of police interaction at all, whether i am right or wrong. at this point i feel like i have to play nice, even if i am in the right. after that time, sure, i'll tell him to go fuck himself. my fear is that he'll get the cops involved and in my situation- right or wrong- i don't want that


You kinda answered your own question here. If you continue to play your music too loud, the neighbor is almost sure to call the police to file a noise complaint. When the Officer shows up and you turn up with a criminal history and on probation, the officer is very likely to take your neighbors side and your problems will escalate. Be glad the neighbor walked over twice to give you the chance to lower the volume, rather than calling the Police right away. But after a couple incidents, he may well decide that you are not getting the hint and decide to see if the authorities can make more of an impression.


funny that the neighbor on the other side of me, who has been there years longer than these people and who lives an equal distance away from me has never had a complaint.
these people are assholes. they've complained about the neighbor kids playing to close to their car....they act like 80 year old men.
as we walked away in a huff he claimed he had to work in the morning. here it is nearly 8 and his car is still there.
see steve from elmhurst, people can be assholes just like you and unfortunately it comes down to a he said/she said situation.


You asked for opinions and I gave you mine. Go ahead and keep playing your music at whatever volume you want and listen to people like Powerhouse 233....refuse to back down and fight the neighbor over it. But when you have a Police officer show up and he takes the side of the neighbor and you are trying to figure out who to call to bail you out and then you are facing revocation of your probation, remember this thread. Sure the volume you play your music at, might seem reasonable to you. But to this neighbor it's a problem. Is the risk of the problems this person can bring about, worth letting things escalate? In 6 months you could have a spirited discussion about the subject without the risks you would face now. But do as you will, it's not gonna affect me in any way. I thought my advice was sound. But if you want to prove that you are not gonna back down to some cracker neighbor and insist on standing up to him......who knows, maybe you won't end up getting arrested, having your probation revoked, losing your job (if you have one) and going to jail. But it seems like a foolish risk to me.

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 Post subject: Re: my neighbor
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I would go talk to him today during daylight and strike up a conversation. Apologize that he thought your music was too loud and you certainly aren't trying to be disrespectful. Say it was Friday night and you were in a good mood and enjoying it and ask him if he has any requests for next Friday /chuckle chuckle. If he can't accept that olive branch and laugh it off then yes he is a true asshole and anything above volume 2 will have him complaining at your door. But I think a non-confrontational conversation can go a long way to smoothing things over and not have him at your door all the time.



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No offense Bagels but if you're such a great guy and would never do anything wrong regarding this matter, I'd suspect you wouldn't be on probation for another matter.

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again no offense intended, as I've never met you.

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I would go talk to him today during daylight and strike up a conversation. Apologize that he thought your music was too loud and you certainly aren't trying to be disrespectful. Say it was Friday night and you were in a good mood and enjoying it and ask him if he has any requests for next Friday /chuckle chuckle. If he can't accept that olive branch and laugh it off then yes he is a true asshole and anything above volume 2 will have him complaining at your door. But I think a non-confrontational conversation can go a long way to smoothing things over and not have him at your door all the time.



Good advice


I often agree with Jackref. The Elmhurst guy, not so much. But they are both correct in this scenario. I'm also tired of the "kissing ass" stuff. I've burnt a bridge or seven in the past. Typically, that's if someone acts like an assbag in the scenario presented by Jackref. But most situations like this are created by nonsense and being stubborn. Try that and see what happens.

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 Post subject: Re: my neighbor
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10:30 on a friday night and this prick is coming over to your house? Your private property? Fuck him! Don't lie down and let this shit go, this is worth fighting for. He has to work in the morning, who fucking cares?! That's his goddamn problem, not yours! This is not 1:00 on a sunday night/monday morning, you shouldn't have to tip toe around this son of a bitch's schedule. People have gotten too confident, this guy should have been trembling with anxiety and fear when thinking of confronting you. I understand you don't want things to be hostile or awkward with your neighbor because you have to live next to him, but you can't have this guy walking all over you. What has this fucking world come to when you can't play loud music in your own home on a friday night? You dragged your ass around for an entire week busting your ass to support yourself in anticipation of unwinding finally on friday night and this prick is trying to take that away from you, don't let him.


the thing i am in fear of....is that i am on probation for another matter for another 6 months, basically
i don't really want to have any kind of police interaction at all, whether i am right or wrong. at this point i feel like i have to play nice, even if i am in the right. after that time, sure, i'll tell him to go fuck himself. my fear is that he'll get the cops involved and in my situation- right or wrong- i don't want that


You kinda answered your own question here. If you continue to play your music too loud, the neighbor is almost sure to call the police to file a noise complaint. When the Officer shows up and you turn up with a criminal history and on probation, the officer is very likely to take your neighbors side and your problems will escalate. Be glad the neighbor walked over twice to give you the chance to lower the volume, rather than calling the Police right away. But after a couple incidents, he may well decide that you are not getting the hint and decide to see if the authorities can make more of an impression.


Bagels already said that this jerkoff complains about everything

Bagels, let this asshole call the cops. All they can do is tell you to turn down the music, and you can tell them that he bitches about everything, and the other neighbors have zero complaints.


All they can do is tell you to turn the music down....bullshit. They can charge him with violating noise statues, (disturbing the peace) which may then result in revocation of his probation...
Yeah, so the thing to do with a neighbor who complains about everything is to inflame the situation....to try to escalate matters and get the Police involved. It doesn't matter if the neighbors on the other side have no issue with the volume he plays his music at. If a complaint is made, a patrol officer will be dispatched to investigate and when the subject turns out to have a criminal history and is on probation, chances are good he's not gonna be the one the Officer is most likely to side with. Your advice is akin to suggesting someone try to put a fire out by dousing it with gasoline.....Stupid and dangerous.

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Hate to say it but I agree with Steve here. I wouldn't do anything to incite this neighbor to call the police. I know it sucks but as many have said, just play along for the next six months and then politely tell him to go fuck himself.

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No offense Bagels but if you're such a great guy and would never do anything wrong regarding this matter, I'd suspect you wouldn't be on probation for another matter.

as the saying goes:

"if everyone you meet is an asshole, you're probably the asshole"

again no offense intended, as I've never met you.


Yea, and the attitude of "It's friday night so too bad" to me is problematic. Yes it may be your friday night but if somebody else has to work saturday morning then it is not their Friday night.

If your music is loud enough to be heard inside another house in the winter then either both you and your neighbor need new windows or the music is just really too loud.

Either way I would avoid trouble and buy headphones. They are cheaper than new windows and less hassle than dealing with the police.

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some people (steve) seem to be drawing an awful lot of conclusions here....
yeah I think they're assholes but i don't see where i ever said that i was going to be stubborn, fight them tooth & nail, keep playing the music at the same volume...in fact i said each time he's come over i've turned it off immediately. It's hard for me to know that i'm causing a disturbance otherwise, since i've been living in this house for almost 8 years now and never had another neighbor complain. Point being i had no idea i was doing something "wrong" . yes i understand different people may have different tolerance levels
i also stated that i don't want any kind of police involvement so yes, i am definitely going to err on the side of caution for at least awhile and not play anything even remotely loud
steve you somehow feel the need to go into whether or not i have a job and all this other useless shit just to be an asshole, no i don't think this issue is worth escalating at all and i don't intend on doing so
and for jackref , i have tried the route of being nice. i think i am a reasonably nice person in general. they moved in about 1 1/2-2 years ago now and at the beginning i tried making small talk with him a lot, i'm out walking my dogs every day so i would wave to him or say hi, and he just does not seem interested in being friendly; i'd wave to him and he wold ignore me. just saying i've tried that, from the very beginning he just seemed very cold and aloof.


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 Post subject: Re: my neighbor
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All they can do is tell you to turn the music down....bullshit. They can charge him with violating noise statues, (disturbing the peace) which may then result in revocation of his probation...

Well Barney Fife, you keep ignoring the biggest part of the story. Bagels went outside and said the music wasn't loud. How would his probation be revoked, when he has done nothing wrong? This is a huge omission on your part, which renders the rest of your nonsense invalid.

Yeah, so the thing to do with a neighbor who complains about everything is to inflame the situation....to try to escalate matters and get the Police involved.

Bagels wouldn't be the one escalating anything. That would be the neighbor, making an issue where there isn't one.

It doesn't matter if the neighbors on the other side have no issue with the volume he plays his music at. If a complaint is made, a patrol officer will be dispatched to investigate and when the subject turns out to have a criminal history and is on probation, chances are good he's not gonna be the one the Officer is most likely to side with.

Of course it does. Nobody else hears the music, and neither will the cops IF they get called and show up. IF they show up, there job is to assess the situation and handle it accordingly, not side against the guy with a record. Maybe the neighbor has a record, and it's longer and more serious than that of Bagels? I guess you never thought of that, huh? It's no wonder that you are a failed cop with that shitty attitude. You act like they are going to approach his residence with guns drawn, ready to drag him out of the house by his hair. IF they showed up, all Bagels has to do is be polite, and say "yes sir", "no sir", "I will turn it down", and "have a good night officer", and they will leave immediately. He most likely won't even be required to show ID. Most cops aren't dickheads who need a badge and a gun to get an erection like you.

When I was 19, four of us had an apartment, and we were idiots who played the music way too loudly. The whole building could probably hear it. The cops were called every weekend. We were a bunch of rowdy idiots drinking and doing drugs, and actually disturbing the peace. Nothing ever came of it, other than one of us going out into the hallway, and them telling us to keep it quiet. So, why would anybody think that the cops are going to harass a 30-ish guy in his home, when it's clear that the neighbor is just crying wolf?


Your advice is akin to suggesting someone try to put a fire out by dousing it with gasoline.....Stupid and dangerous.

What a ridiculous analogy. There is no fire here. There isn't even any smoke, other than the smoke that comes out of your ears when you try to think. Steve, every cop isn't an asshole looking to harass people like you were (the story of you harassing a motorist over tire tread immediately comes to mind). Your silly responses in this thread show that you obviously miss the power trip of carrying a badge and a gun. This may explain why you bowl against women, and brag about it.

Your advice to him is to walk on egg shells, in order to avoid a crack pot neighbor and Dirty Harry. That is stupid advice. I would expect nothing less from you.


Q-Bo, I get what you are saying about not wanting to make enemies with a neighbor, especially one who lives next door. I have hung out with Bagels a couple times, and he seems like a pretty mellow dude. Like the '85 Bears, he ain't lookin' for trouble. It seems to me, that there is something not right with the neighbor (complaining about music that isn't loud, claiming he had to work early when he didn't, etc). It appears that he is looking for some type of confrontation. If it isn't the music, it will be something else.

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[color=#0000FF]Of course it does. Nobody else hears the music, and neither will the cops IF they get called and show up. IF they show up, there job is to assess the situation and handle it accordingly, not side against the guy with a record. It's no wonder that you are a failed cop with that shitty attitude. You act like they are going to approach his residence with guns drawn, ready to drag him out of the house by his hair. IF they showed up, all Bagels has to do is be polite, and say "yes sir", "no sir", "I will turn it down", and "have a good night officer", and they will leave immediately. He most likely won't even be required to show ID. Most cops aren't dickheads who need a badge and a gun to get an erection like you..


that was a serious question i had initially...basically is a noise complaint/violation based on any kind of objective evidence or is it totally subjective? like if i get a gage to measure the noise level, i turn up music, go outside right next to their house and measure the decibel level and its ____ is it ok/not ok? or is just a case where summertime comes, we all have our windows open and i get pissed because i can hear Judge Judy on their tv so i call and complain?

that's what seems dangerous to me, if its within certain hours, and under a certain (measurable) level, i'm totally fine. but it scares me that this guy could just decide to complain about something trivial and escalate it; he started in immediately with an attitude the other night, so i could seeing him escalating it again if there's a next time


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[color=#0000FF]Of course it does. Nobody else hears the music, and neither will the cops IF they get called and show up. IF they show up, there job is to assess the situation and handle it accordingly, not side against the guy with a record. It's no wonder that you are a failed cop with that shitty attitude. You act like they are going to approach his residence with guns drawn, ready to drag him out of the house by his hair. IF they showed up, all Bagels has to do is be polite, and say "yes sir", "no sir", "I will turn it down", and "have a good night officer", and they will leave immediately. He most likely won't even be required to show ID. Most cops aren't dickheads who need a badge and a gun to get an erection like you..


that was a serious question i had initially...basically is a noise complaint/violation based on any kind of objective evidence or is it totally subjective? like if i get a gage to measure the noise level, i turn up music, go outside right next to their house and measure the decibel level and its ____ is it ok/not ok? or is just a case where summertime comes, we all have our windows open and i get pissed because i can hear Judge Judy on their tv so i call and complain?

that's what seems dangerous to me, if its within certain hours, and under a certain (measurable) level, i'm totally fine. but it scares me that this guy could just decide to complain about something trivial and escalate it; he started in immediately with an attitude the other night, so i could seeing him escalating it again if there's a next time


I would call your attorney tomorrow morning. He can answer those questions better than I could, and he certainly could answer them better than Officer Fife in Elmhurst.

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he just does not seem interested in being friendly; i'd wave to him and he wold ignore me. just saying i've tried that, from the very beginning he just seemed very cold and aloof.


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No offense Bagels but if you're such a great guy and would never do anything wrong regarding this matter, I'd suspect you wouldn't be on probation for another matter.

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"if everyone you meet is an asshole, you're probably the asshole"

again no offense intended, as I've never met you.

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[color=#0000FF]Of course it does. Nobody else hears the music, and neither will the cops IF they get called and show up. IF they show up, there job is to assess the situation and handle it accordingly, not side against the guy with a record. It's no wonder that you are a failed cop with that shitty attitude. You act like they are going to approach his residence with guns drawn, ready to drag him out of the house by his hair. IF they showed up, all Bagels has to do is be polite, and say "yes sir", "no sir", "I will turn it down", and "have a good night officer", and they will leave immediately. He most likely won't even be required to show ID. Most cops aren't dickheads who need a badge and a gun to get an erection like you..


that was a serious question i had initially...basically is a noise complaint/violation based on any kind of objective evidence or is it totally subjective? like if i get a gage to measure the noise level, i turn up music, go outside right next to their house and measure the decibel level and its ____ is it ok/not ok? or is just a case where summertime comes, we all have our windows open and i get pissed because i can hear Judge Judy on their tv so i call and complain?

that's what seems dangerous to me, if its within certain hours, and under a certain (measurable) level, i'm totally fine. but it scares me that this guy could just decide to complain about something trivial and escalate it; he started in immediately with an attitude the other night, so i could seeing him escalating it again if there's a next time


I would call your attorney tomorrow morning. He can answer those questions better than I could, and he certainly could answer them better than Officer Fife in Elmhurst.

Check your burg's website and see if they have the regulation on line. If they don't, call them tomorrow. You can also ask what happens if someone files a complaint, next steps and so forth.


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Obviously it was loud enough that they heard it. they didn't just guess that you had music on. It was clearly loud enough to hear it. They don't come over and tell you to turn it down when you're not playing music do they?

I've always thought that your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others. 1030 on any night is too loud to be hearing your neighbors music, especially if they've got little micro dudes or if they're trying to get some sleep cause they've got to do shit the next day.

Basically, you had to have had this music pumpin.

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Quit listening to that noise you call music

Mix in some Barry Manilow and Neil Diamond. Problem solved.


But seriously ride it out til probation ends and in the meantime I would be finding reasons to bitch at him.



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Obviously it was loud enough that they heard it. they didn't just guess that you had music on. It was clearly loud enough to hear it. They don't come over and tell you to turn it down when you're not playing music do they?

I've always thought that your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others. 1030 on any night is too loud to be hearing your neighbors music, especially if they've got little micro dudes or if they're trying to get some sleep cause they've got to do shit the next day.

Basically, you had to have had this music pumpin.


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Obviously it was loud enough that they heard it. they didn't just guess that you had music on. It was clearly loud enough to hear it. They don't come over and tell you to turn it down when you're not playing music do they?

I've always thought that your rights end when they infringe on the rights of others. 1030 on any night is too loud to be hearing your neighbors music, especially if they've got little micro dudes or if they're trying to get some sleep cause they've got to do shit the next day.

Basically, you had to have had this music pumpin.


uh ok, no need to be condescending..
for the millionth time, as soon as they told me to turn it down i did.....i'm not trying to be a jerk or piss them off on purpose

again, i think there are sometimes you probably know you're being irritating- if i had a house party going and 100 people over i'd probably have guessed why he came over. but i wasn't. i was listening to, ironically, some rather low key albums when it happened. how was i supposed to know it was annoying him, regardless of the time?

and i'm honestly still incredulous as to how he could have heard it at a volume that was worthy of coming over and complaining about it. maybe he's hyper sensitive, i don't know. that's why i was asking if there was some objective measure it. i'm more than willing to comply with whatever the law is, i just want to know what it is. and if it turns out there is no objective measure and it's just whatever he happens to feel is annoying to him, i guess i'm screwed


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Wasn't being condescending. Giving you my honest read on it. I could bullshit you if you prefer that over honesty.

The truth is that if they can hear it a house over, it's loud man.

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 Post subject: Re: my neighbor
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Wasn't being condescending. Giving you my honest read on it. I could bullshit you if you prefer that over honesty.

The truth is that if they can hear it a house over, it's loud man.


but other people, for 8 years, haven't . the other neighbors before them never did. i have a neighbor on the other side too- one with 4 kids, all young. you know, people who would probably be a little more sensitive. they haven't once said anything. in fact they themselves mock these people for complaining about stupid shit.
the next morning i turned it up loud and walked over to right near their house and couldn't hear much. i could hear some bass, but nothing really bad
i don't want to be a jerk, i'm more than willing to turn it off if it's bother them, but i also have rights too and i don't really feel like i'm out of line


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but other people, for 8 years, haven't . the other neighbors before them never did. i have a neighbor on the other side too- one with 4 kids, all young. you know, people who would probably be a little more sensitive. they haven't once said anything. in fact they themselves mock these people for complaining about stupid shit.
the next morning i turned it up loud and walked over to right near their house and couldn't hear much. i could hear some bass, but nothing really bad
i don't want to be a jerk, i'm more than willing to turn it off if it's bother them, but i also have rights too and i don't really feel like i'm out of line


Well then why are you asking for opinions if you've got your mind all made up here? I don't understand what you're asking then. Truth is A) they hear it and B) they don't want to and C) they're not exactly making it up, so D) they're within their rights asking you to tone it down. I don't know what the difference is between them and another neighbor except that they're different situations, different directions, different windows, different people, and different insulation levels, different wind directions, and generally not really comparable situations in practical application.

I know you aren't trying to be a jerk. I am cognizant that you turned it down when they asked. You did the right thing.

yes, you have rights too. but if your music can be heard at their house that's where your rights end. Sorry man. Maybe upgrade your windows or get better insulation if you want to listen to your music that loud that it can be heard in the neighbors house.

Fact is that the neighbor might very be an intolerant asshole. You don't have a right to not live next to one of those. I have a neighbor that bitches about my guests parking on the street near her house. Completely out of line, as parking in the street is perfectly legal whether in front of her house or otherwise, but we generally acquiese to her bitchery.

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