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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:31 pm 
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My feeling as a fan is Rose should come back this year. I don't know how he feels or anything but the fan in me wants to see him on the floor. If I step back for a second I realize he has about $500M+ reasons not to rush back until he is physically and mentally ready. None of us would reimburse him if he threw all of that away by getting hurt again and ending his career too soon.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 1:48 pm 
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My feeling as a fan is Rose should come back this year. I don't know how he feels or anything but the fan in me wants to see him on the floor. If I step back for a second I realize he has about $500M+ reasons not to rush back until he is physically and mentally ready. None of us would reimburse him if he threw all of that away by getting hurt again and ending his career too soon.

Using that logic...might as well never play another game of basketball. You could always have a big injury at end your career. Better that he pretend he plans on coming back for the next 24-36 months.

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Not even close. If he is still hurting physically and isn't mentally ready he is at greater risk of getting hurt than he normally would be. He says he is still thinking instead of playing. That is dangerous. I don't think Rose has done anything in his career that would make me question his commitment and desire to win. I think everyone is thinking more as fans and naturally not caring about the person and his career going forward. If he goes out there "thinking" and tears up his other knee or the same knee he will lose a lot of money. At 24 he has at least 1 more max contract and other endorsements to make.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 25, 2013 2:33 pm 
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Not even close. If he is still hurting physically and isn't mentally ready he is at greater risk of getting hurt than he normally would be. He says he is still thinking instead of playing. That is dangerous. I don't think Rose has done anything in his career that would make me question his commitment and desire to win. I think everyone is thinking more as fans and naturally not caring about the person and his career going forward. If he goes out there "thinking" and tears up his other knee or the same knee he will lose a lot of money. At 24 he has at least 1 more max contract and other endorsements to make.

Then announce you are out for the rest of the season. If he still honestly "doesn't know" when he is going to be mentally ready, then I already believe he isn't made of tough stuff upstairs. We're going on a month now from when doctors said he is cleared physically to play.

Derrick Rose is already set for life. You've got teammates and a fan base to answer to. Teammates that are supposed to have each other's backs...and the fans that generate his income, both through Bulls ticket sales and Adidas retail purchases.

If you're a physical laborer...doing a demanding job...1 month after you've been medically cleared you're working, or you're out of a job.


Why should he have to? The Bulls aren't requiring that he needs to. The doctors don't know what Rose is feeling. The doctors are doing what the Bulls pay them to do. His play hasn't given me a reason to question his mental toughness.

Rose SHOULD be set for life but we've seen many players make horrible financial decisions. Even with that being the case he has the potential to make close to $1B if he has a great and long career. He should do what's best for his family first. He answers to the fans and his teammates when he steps on the court.

Most of them don't have the luxury of sitting out longer. If Rose were physically and mentally ready and just wasn't playing I would have a bigger problem. I did initially feel the way you do but the more I thought about it I ended up seeing it differently.

BTW Rose will be back before the end of this month.

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If Derrick Rose does suit up again, he'll do so first at United Center. However, there are just 2 more Bulls' home games this month. The NBA/ESPN game Wednesday vs. the NBA Champion Heat & a rare Sunday night home game vs. the Pistons. Time is clearly running out. I wish he'd make up his mind before the schedule does it for him.


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Bulls Management should tell Rose that he either gets his ass on the floor for the next game, or they shut him down for the year. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen from a supposed star athlete who has been cleared by team Doctors to play. This kid is something else.

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Bulls Management should tell Rose that he either gets his ass on the floor for the next game, or they shut him down for the year. This is the most ridiculous thing I have ever seen from a supposed star athlete who has been cleared by team Doctors to play. This kid is something else.

Scorehead, just because Bulls' doctors have cleared Derrick Rose doesn't mean the man who signs the checks has.

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Why should he have to? The Bulls aren't requiring that he needs to. The doctors don't know what Rose is feeling. The doctors are doing what the Bulls pay them to do. His play hasn't given me a reason to question his mental toughness.

Rose SHOULD be set for life but we've seen many players make horrible financial decisions. Even with that being the case he has the potential to make close to $1B if he has a great and long career. He should do what's best for his family first. He answers to the fans and his teammates when he steps on the court.

Most of them don't have the luxury of sitting out longer. If Rose were physically and mentally ready and just wasn't playing I would have a bigger problem. I did initially feel the way you do but the more I thought about it I ended up seeing it differently.

BTW Rose will be back before the end of this month.

I'm not interested in what Rose is feeling. I'm interested in science. Science says he is ready.


Of course the doctors never get it wrong. These same doctors questioned Deng's toughness and then later discovered he fractured his leg. Similar doctors didn't even know that Rondo was playing with a partially torn ligament. I'll trust the guy who is actually living it unless he's given me a reason in the past to believe that he is soft or doesn't care. Rushing back last year may have led to his injury.

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Of course the doctors never get it wrong. These same doctors questioned Deng's toughness and then later discovered he fractured his leg. Similar doctors didn't even know that Rondo was playing with a partially torn ligament. I'll trust the guy who is actually living it unless he's given me a reason in the past to believe that he is soft or doesn't care. Rushing back last year may have led to his injury.

But that is exactly the point. They found something physically wrong with both Deng and Rondo. They've checked and double-checked Derrick Rose and there is nothing wrong.


Derricks problems are from the neck on up.

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Derrick's extended absence has shown how one-dimensional this team is, and I hope GarPax is watching. The beloved core can barely score a bucket (the Bulls are last in points scored, behind teams like Charlotte and Detroit. See: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/ ... e-per-game) without him, and yet the general sense is the Bulls can compete in 2014-15 with the same group and Rose.

Derrick Rose is great, but he's not the difference between 38-31 and a championship.

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Derrick's extended absence has shown how one-dimensional this team is, and I hope GarPax is watching. The beloved core can barely score a bucket (the Bulls are last in points scored, behind teams like Charlotte and Detroit. See: http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/team/ ... e-per-game) without him, and yet the general sense is the Bulls can compete in 2014-15 with the same group and Rose.

Derrick Rose is great, but he's not the difference between 38-31 and a championship.

I agree Vegan, and I've been screaming this from the mountaintops pretty much all season. I have yet to understand where all the unbridled optimism from Bulls fans is coming from. Don't give me the injury excuse either. When this team was full strength two years ago, they still had trouble putting points on the board. The difference was that they were a hell of a better defensive team than they are now. The 2011 team could at least keep opponents scoring in the low-mid 80s, which allowed the Bulls to not have to press on offense. But not only can this Bulls team not score points, but they can't stop anybody from scoring either.

If Derrick Rose has a chance of ever winning a title in Chicago, this thing will need to be completely torn down and rebuilt around him. And who knows how long that'll take.

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They can be good yes, but I don't think that's a championship team there.

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You're telling me that a team of Noah, Gibson, Deng, a 20+PPG SG paid with the Boozer money, and Rose cannot win?

Hell, you can even take Deng out of it and throw that money around too if you want.


The only thing I would add is that 20ppg scorer must be able to create on his own. Deng scores nearly 20 per game but is virtually useless when you need buckets at the end of games because he cannot create anything. That's why the Hamilton signing was dumb because he relies on screens just as much as Deng does. It was also dumb because he was washed up even at the time of the signing. By the way, this is the second Piston from the 2004 championship team GarPax has tried to use to put the Bulls over the top. In both cases, GarPax failed miserably.

But I don't think you can easily replace Boozer with a scorer; you won't get someone like that in return for anyone on the roster except for Noah, and I don't know if the Bulls could afford this scorer and keep Deng, Noah, and Rose at the same time.

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That's why the Hamilton signing was dumb because he relies on screens just as much as Deng does. It was also dumb because he was washed up even at the time of the signing.

What's even more maddening to me is the fact that Jamal Crawford was a free agent and still available when the Bulls signed Hamilton. I still took the wait-and-see approach with Rip, but I wanted Crawford from day 1.

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Even that would've been better, but once you tied up Rip for two years, it was pretty much over.

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Paxson has displayed conservatism in the past; he tried to build up the pre-Rose Bulls on the backs of no-nonsense, hustle-type guys, like Hinrich, Gordon, and Deng. Then he foolishly added another one of these guys, Ben Wallace, to a team in need of scoring, which is precisely what Wallace does not do. He then dropped the conservative approach in 2006 when he drafted Tyrus Thomas, but he sort of made up for that when he got a draft pick in a trade for Thomas.

So perhaps in signing Hamilton over guys like Crawford and Mayo, he put his conservative hat back on by going for the "safer" pick between the three, ignoring that "safer" in this case meant old, limited, and redundant.

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