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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
PostPosted: Wed Aug 08, 2012 2:44 pm 
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Doc Godden is not in that conversation?

In my case, I left off pitchers or Doc would have been #1


And you forgot about Walt Dropo and Fred Lynn.

How long was my list supposed to be? :o

Lynn was my first guy off the bench. Dropo, I didnt think of


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Doc Godden is not in that conversation?

In my case, I left off pitchers or Doc would have been #1


And you forgot about Walt Dropo and Fred Lynn.


Fernando Valenzuela won the Cy Young as a 20 year-old.

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Fernando Valenzuela won the Cy Young as a 20 year-old.


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Doc Godden is not in that conversation?


Yeah, if you include pitchers. And in that case, Bob Feller was probably the greatest 20 year old.

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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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A Rod's first full year was ridiculous


Maybe better than Trout's considering defense


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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There are a lot of rookie seasons better than his but he's definitely in the conversation of best 20 year olds.

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Alex Rodriguez was 20 in his first full season in 1996

.414 .631 1.045

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Man, that guy was awesome. Before he became A Rod


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Alex Rodriguez was 20 in his first full season in 1996

.414 .631 1.045

9.2 WAR


Man, that guy was awesome. Before he became A Rod


I refuse to acknowledge Alex Rodriguez.

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Why?

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All of the above?

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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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Why?

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All of the above?


All of the above. Great player though.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
There are a lot of rookie seasons better than his but he's definitely in the conversation of best 20 year olds.


Agreed. I don't think I've seen anyone better. He came up a month into the season and he leads the league in damn near every category. I thought Harper would be better because he's a Mormon and you wouldn't have to worry about the partying.


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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Brett Jackson best-case scenario: Left handed Mike Trout

Brett Jackson worst-case scenario: Nate McClouth?
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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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Through the first two series of the season, we have the following:

Mike Trout: 7/28 with 3 doubles. 8 strikeouts. .250/.300/.357

Bryce Harper: 9/25 with 1 double and 3 HR. 5 strikeouts. .360/.360/.760

I dont know why you're quoting BA. and OBP. but that is troubling


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Brett Jackson's worst case scenario is not ALL STAR


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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Brett Jackson's worst case scenario is not ALL STAR

One time All-Star. Calling McClouth an All-Star is a joke, and you know it, and your argument is weak.

He is a career .248 hitter with a .755 OPS. Look at his 2008 splits. He had a good first half to secure an All-Star spot, and then sucked in the second half.

Are we going to refer to Bryan LaHair as having an All-Star career?

There is a strong possibility that Brett Jackson never has a year as good as McClouth's 08


Brett's floor is bagging groceries.


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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white sox pitching coming up for Harper

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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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This is going to be Bonds and Griffey Jr all over again. I think Trout will have the edge.

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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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immessedup17 wrote:
Then so is Jurickson Profar's, Nick Castellanos', and Javier Baez'.

True for those guys. Not Trout.


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Again, Mike Trout's 2011 season was very similar in numbers to Brett Jackson's 2012 season


I still don't understand why that is so easily disregarded by some of you.

Because Trout was 19.

And Because Trout is top prospect and Jackson is not

And because having similiar numbers for a 1/6th of a season doesnt mean a whole lot


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This is going to be Bonds and Griffey Jr all over again. I think Trout will have the edge.

I like Trout if only because he's got more room for improvement


I like em both though


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This is going to be Bonds and Griffey Jr all over again. I think Trout will have the edge.

I like Trout if only because he's got more room for improvement


I like em both though


Without a doubt. Both would be the cornerstone of any franchise for at least the next 15 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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Nas wrote:
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This is going to be Bonds and Griffey Jr all over again. I think Trout will have the edge.

I like Trout if only because he's got more room for improvement


I like em both though


Without a doubt. Both would be the cornerstone of any franchise for at least the next 15 years.

I wrote Trout while I meant to write Harper. Harper has more room for improvement.


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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Through the first two series of the season, we have the following:

Mike Trout: 7/28 with 3 doubles. 8 strikeouts. .250/.300/.357

Bryce Harper: 9/25 with 1 double and 3 HR. 5 strikeouts. .360/.360/.760

I dont know why you're quoting BA. and OBP. but that is troubling
I don't think its troubling. He hasn't had a walk in 6 games.

If its within a couple points at the end of the month, then its an issue.

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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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And because having similiar numbers for a 1/6th of a season doesnt mean a whole lot

So...why are you discounting Brett Jackson based on these numbers?

Im not at all.

Its everything else.
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Brett Jackson was one ranked HIGHER than Mike Trout in Baseball America's Top Prospect ratings. They see the potential. His development as been slower, much slower.

You mean when they were drafted? Ok, thats another notch for Trout. Apparently Baseball America has been slowly admitting their mistake.

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But all that doesn't matter once you hit the big leagues and are ready. Sure, their major league careers won't be the same length, but I'm not trying to compare their 2027 numbers.

Ok.

I dont think Brett Jackson will ever hit 20 home runs in a season. He might not have 20 in his career.


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Through the first two series of the season, we have the following:

Mike Trout: 7/28 with 3 doubles. 8 strikeouts. .250/.300/.357

Bryce Harper: 9/25 with 1 double and 3 HR. 5 strikeouts. .360/.360/.760

I dont know why you're quoting BA. and OBP. but that is troubling
I don't think its troubling. He hasn't had a walk in 6 games.

If its within a couple points at the end of the month, then its an issue.

Guys who walk and see a lot pitches dont usually go a week without walking.

We'll see.


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 Post subject: Re: Harper and Trout
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I hear ya, but still. Only 6 games and its 6 games into a brand new season.



IMU, at this point, considering everything each of the players have gone thru and where they stand right now today, the ceiling for Brett Jackson appears to be everyday player. The floor is Joe Borchard-- a bust of a draft pick. He appears a lot closer to Borchard than playing 150+ games a year.

The ceiling for Mike Trout is Hall of Fame, considering he already has one MVP type season.

Yes, I understand your point of Trout coming up to the Show in 2011 and not doing so well....but he was also only 19 years old then. Jackson is 24 and if anything has regressed since 2011.

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