Even though I agree with Dan’s premise on Urlacher being the better player, he stated yesterday that one of the main reasons for this opinion is Butka never won anything during his time as a Bear.

However, Urlacher never won a Super Bowl, and Dan has stated frequently on the show that titles are the only thing that matter. By that definition, wouldn’t the two players have had the exact same amount of success?

We measure success by banners and parades in this town. Big boy football, not wine & cheese football.

These guys are so damn dumb. It was a totally different game back then. Urlacher was never a fearsome run stuffer, pressure up the middle guy. That's what the job was back in the 60s.

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Urlacher isn't in the same league as Butkus. Butkus is one of the best five defensive players in the history of the game. dan is ridiculous.

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With this or especially with basketball these two obviously only compare the athletic ability. Worse yet they compare older generation players to recent ones. When I do these things I prefer to look at their status among those closer to their generation.

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Well if Dan says it, his minions believe it.

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Although full of holes, this is a great Who You Crappin. You can pretty much send that in as is and I wish you would

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I don't think Butkus is one of the five best linebackers in the history of the game.

Dan is still a penus.

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It wasn't that the Butka teams never won anything. It's that his teams were monumentally bad and rarely even competitive. Urlacher's teams were at least in contention for most of his career.

Sadly, not WYC material.

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He was hands down the best and Lewis is the only guy even close.*





*I wouldn't call Lawrence Taylor a linebacker. He was his own thing.

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Lebron James is better than both of them put together!

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Brian Urlacher > Chris Zorich > Dick Butkus

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I don't listen to Screamy & Punny in the am much, but I turned it on this morning to hear Screamy befuddidly echo the statement "Urlacher is better than Butkus?" quickly followed by a "well that's just not true". He then went on to discuss some great Buffone-told stories about Butkus.

I can't form an opinion as I literally never saw Butka play one snap, but clearly that doesn't matter to Dan as his stupid radio narrative has deemed Butkus some knuckle-dragging idiot who has a great reputation mostly because of physical plays he'd make that AREN'T EVEN ALLOWED ANYMOAR!!!11!!!!!1!!!!

Screw Dan and his stupid absolutes. Of course lap dog Terry is going to nod along, agree, and supposedly give some credit to Dan's argument because he "did" see Butkus play......but Terry's opinion is about as valuable as a steak dinner when trying to land a big free agent. #boom

Wasn't the thing that was always said about Butkus was that he played his last couple of years on one leg?

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just watch the highlight reels. he was a man among boys a la Jim Brown.

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Urlacher was certainly the faster player of the two. But it's sort of unusual to compare the two since they didn't really play in the same era, the same defensive scheme and they didn't serve the same purpose. Butkus didn't have the advances in weight training or medicine that the players have now. Urlacher was able to chase people down and interfere with opposing quarterbacks' ability to throw the ball. While Butkus was a menacing presence in the middle of the field who destroyed opposing players. Urlacher had the speed of a safety in a linebacker's body. I think the other team feared Butkus. The other problem is you can't compare stats since they didn't keep the same stats between when Urlacher played and when Butkus played.

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Wasn't Butkus a RB at the height of the quality of CPS football. Wasn't he also around 250 pounds.

Not slow. Was athletic. Would have certainly been big enough.

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He was the same size as Urlacher, only everyone else on the field was smaller. Linemen were like 250 or less??

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Id like to see Ray Lewis play a Soda Jerk on My Two Dads as well as Butka.

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I do think Butkus is the standard by which all LBs are judged and rightfully so. He was an all time great. But can someone explain to me what exactly Butkus could do on a football field that Urlacher could not? In my mind they are 1a. and 1b. in Bear History.

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I can only go on videos, but Butkus seemed better at delivering big hits and breaking through the line.

The one flaw in Urlacher's game has always been he needed game changing defensive lineman to meet his potential. Some of his "bad" seasons were because of changes up front. I believe the first example of this was after they lost Ted Washington.

Now, I'm sure the offensive lineman weren't as good when Butkus was playing either.

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I don't think that's true. They just had different qualities. Big fat guys like Ted Washington couldn't cut it as a lead blocker on a sweep, but they're perfect for getting in the way of pass rushers. The game is different but there are guys who could play in any era, like Randall McDaniel and Anthony Munoz and Art Shell and Forrest Gregg.

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Yeah those are good points.

I just think that people seem to go to one of two areas in this discussion.

Urlacher was a freak athletically and Butkus(and players of his era) couldn't hang with him.

or

Butkus was an all time great and Urlacher couldn't hang with him.

I think both are equally wrong. I think the separation between them is extremely small.

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Right there is a small difference. Also, I don't really buy into the freak athlete thing for any comparison like this. Back in those days the guys had to play and had jobs in the off season as well as less nutritional knowledge etc. If you don't think that if Butkus went to college in the 90's and played in the 2000's that he would look like Urlacher or Lewis you are sorely mistaken.

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I wouldn't say Urlacher "couldn't hang" with Butkus. Urlacher was a great player, but Butkus is at the very top level. I'd put Ray Lewis right there. They're both better than Urlacher. That isn't really a knock on Urlacher. There are only a handful of guys who had the kind of impact on the game that guys like Butkus, Lewis, Lawrence Taylor did.

Roberto Clemente was a great player but he shouldn't be compared to Willie Mays or Mickey Mantle. Doug Wilson and Chris Pronger were great players but they shouldn't be compared to Bobby Orr. Butkus is Willie Mays or Bobby Orr.

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I agree with all of that. Urlacher is at the top of that next tier right after Butkus and Lewis.

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Okay, we can assign various levels to all players. You know hockey better than I do, but Wilson was one of the better defensemen of his era, particularly from an offensive standpoint. Regardless, you get the point I was trying to make.

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Also, obviously the game has become much more centered on passing. This has caused offensive linemen to become bigger and stronger, but also slower. It has also allowed a place in the game for big fat interior linemen on defense, guys like Ted Washington and Keith Traylor who are there to push the pocket back against the big, fat offenive linemen. And shitty quarterbacks like Jim Miller put up more numbers than some Hall of Famers from past eras. Guys like Newton, Wilson, and RGIII might possibly cause the defensive linemen to become smaller and more athletic.

Butkus was a freakish guy in his time. He was as big, strong, and fast as anyone playing today. Let's not go all the way back to him anyway. Look at guys like Jay Hilgenberg and Jimbo Covert. They're pitifully undersized for today's game. But is anyone really going to say they weren't great? If they couldn't play today it isn't because today's replacements are "better", but rather because the game is played differently and different skills and attributes are valued.

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