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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:02 am 
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For retiring Ditka's number. Shouldn't the bar be set substantially higher to have a number retired? He was a good tight end for a few years and arguably underachieved significantly with only one Super Bowl title. Also, he's an asshole. I blame SNL and other media outlets for keeping his fame eternal.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:04 am 
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Are you kidding or just trying to get a response.

Ditka is the standard by which all tight ends are judged. Then he won a Super Bowl as an assistant and another as a head coach.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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For retiring Ditka's number. Shouldn't the bar be set substantially higher to have a number retired? He was a good tight end for a few years and arguably underachieved significantly with only one Super Bowl title. Also, he's an asshole. I blame SNL and other media outlets for keeping his fame eternal.

Hes in the HOF, Dan. Probably a little better than a good tight end for a few years. His Super Bowl title is one more than any other Bears coach has. Unless youre pissed that Matt Spaeth has to find another number, I dont have that big of a problem with it.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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For retiring Ditka's number. Shouldn't the bar be set substantially higher to have a number retired? He was a good tight end for a few years and arguably underachieved significantly with only one Super Bowl title. Also, he's an asshole. I blame SNL and other media outlets for keeping his fame eternal.

Hes in the HOF, Dan. Probably a little better than a good tight end for a few years. His Super Bowl title is one more than any other Bears coach has. Unless youre pissed that Matt Spaeth has to find another number, I dont have that big of a problem with it.



I don't have strong feelings about this but he was the FIRST tight end in the hall of fame.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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Maybe it's personal feelings, but I can't stand him. He's maybe my least favorite Chicago figure of all time. I rather rot in hell for eternity with Belushi(Jim), Cusack and Oprah than listen to him for 5 minutes.

His ongoing fame is only the result of he's a loudmouth asshole who's willing to put his name on anything/do anything just to stay in the limelight. He's the worst.

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His number is being retired because he was a HOF tight end. No problem with that. They aren't honoring him as a coach. He was a hall of fame player and deserves to have his number retired.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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Northside_Dan wrote:
Maybe it's personal feelings, but I can't stand him. He's maybe my least favorite Chicago figure of all time. I rather rot in hell for eternity with Belushi(Jim), Cusack and Oprah than listen to him for 5 minutes.

His ongoing fame is only the result of he's a loudmouth asshole who's willing to put his name on anything/do anything just to stay in the limelight. He's the worst.


All those points are perfectly valid but don't diminish Ditka the football player.

I know he is a an obnoxious schill who has done shitty things in his time. However, there are a million stories out there of Ditka quietly doing great things for charities and just people on the street.

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PostPosted: Fri May 24, 2013 8:22 am 
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I'm Hawg Ass and I agree with the subject.

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Ditka owned the Packers and beat Forrest Gregg at his own cheap shotting game

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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good dolphin wrote:
Ditka owned the Packers and beat Forrest Gregg at his own cheap shotting game

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good dolphin wrote:
Ditka owned the Packers and beat Forrest Gregg at his own cheap shotting game

This is reason enough.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
His number is being retired because he was a HOF tight end. No problem with that. They aren't honoring him as a coach. He was a hall of fame player and deserves to have his number retired.

Agree with Frank here. HOF Tight End and deserves to have his number retired.

Dan I think your personal feelings are affecting your thoughts if you somehow think he was just a "good" TE.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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His number is being retired because he was a HOF tight end. No problem with that. They aren't honoring him as a coach. He was a hall of fame player and deserves to have his number retired.

Agree with Frank here. HOF Tight End and deserves to have his number retired.

Dan I think your personal feelings are affecting your thoughts if you somehow think he was just a "good" TE.


Ditka and John Mackey invented the modern pass-catching tight end position. Prior to them tight ends were just blockers. It's completely deserved, even without the Super Bowl as coach. And I consider Ditka a big-mouth jerk-off.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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Don't forget the St. Louis Cardinal's Jackie Smith in that group, JORR.

That said, Lebron James is better than Butkus, Mackey and Smith combined.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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SteveSarley wrote:
Don't forget the St. Louis Cardinal's Jackie Smith in that group, JORR.


A great player who is sadly only remembered for dropping that ball.

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That said, Lebron James is better than Butkus, Mackey and Smith combined.


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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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good dolphin wrote:
Are you kidding or just trying to get a response.

Ditka is the standard by which all tight ends are judged. Then he won a Super Bowl as an assistant and another as a head coach.


Spot on.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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He was a good tight end for a few years


And yet still #4 in Bears all-time receiving yards.

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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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And yet still #4 in Bears all-time receiving yards.

I would suggest this speaks more to the Bears inadequacies in the passing game over the past two decades than to Ditka's greatness as a receiver.

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And yet still #4 in Bears all-time receiving yards.

I would suggest this speaks more to the Bears inadequacies in the passing game over the past two decades than to Ditka's greatness as a receiver.


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And yet still #4 in Bears all-time receiving yards.

I would suggest this speaks more to the Bears inadequacies in the passing game over the past two decades than to Ditka's greatness as a receiver.


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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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 Post subject: Re: Chicago Bears
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Denied. Ditka revolutionized the TE position. Also, there are lots of assholes In the HOF.

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