Shaq is a top 10 player all time

Grant Hill better than Bird too

Shaq is a top 10 player all time

Yeah, that's called an opinion. I got one too, which is that he isn't top 10 all time. Love your suit Powerhouse, but disagree with you here.

I don't know about him being better than Bird, but his first six years in the league were pretty good for someone so young and green. Check out his stats when he was the Pistons. They average out to something like 23 7 and 7, and this is all before age 28.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

That's fine, but from my standpoint his combination of dominance and team success puts him in that category. To be fair you also have to consider his somewhat sub-par defense and his consistently poor conditioning which may have contributed to him missing 10-15 games a lot of seasons.

I don't get how you can easily dismiss Shaq or Bird being top ten but saying Grant Hill would of been if had not gotten hurt. They may not be but are in argument.

I must have missed something. Who doesn't have Bird in their top 10? He's easily in my top 5.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

Danny commented on how Maddux boy didn't have Bird in his top ten so atleast he got that right.

He was incredible but I don't think he was as good as Bird. I don't think B&B really credit Bird for his astounding all around play. He's probably still the best passing forward of all time and he was also a great rebounder. If Grant Hill never got injured I think he could have been one of the 15-20 best players ever.

He was incredible but I don't think he was as good as Bird. I don't think B&B really credit Bird for his astounding all around play. He's probably still the best passing forward of all time and he was also a great rebounder.

That's the rub. He was so dominant and so damn good, that I can even excuse the fact that you couldn't rely on him in the last two minutes of a close game. But all his other faults are too great for me to elevate him into the top 10. He also was an underachieving rebounder in the regular season. He could have put up 1960's rebounding numbers per game if he was motivated. If Ben Wallace could grab 15 a game, Shaq coulda gotten 20 if he wanted. Simmons or someone else once said about him that he was just motivated enough to win titles, be looked at as an all time great, be famous, and live the life. Which is fine. He still had a career that was better than all but maybe a dozen guys who ever lived. But I do think if he had Jordan's competitiveness he could be looked at as 1a and 1b with Jordan as GOAT.

I wouldn't think $50 would be a huge amount for a Cubs season ticket holder, but I understand having a lot of bills for medical stuff. Avatar bet is fine. Anyone else on the board want to put actual money on the Pacers vs Bulls next season?


As for all this ridiculous NBA Hell/Bulls/Heat/LBJ/Durant talk - IF the Spurs beat the Heat in 5 or 6 games this year and it's not particularly competitive, will you guys finally start changing your mind about what it takes to win it all? Ill hang up and listen for my answer.

I might put Grant Hill in the top 10 most over rated players

That's the rub. He was so dominant and so damn good, that I can even excuse the fact that you couldn't rely on him in the last two minutes of a close game. But all his other faults are too great for me to elevate him into the top 10. He also was an underachieving rebounder in the regular season. He could have put up 1960's rebounding numbers per game if he was motivated. If Ben Wallace could grab 15 a game, Shaq coulda gotten 20 if he wanted. Simmons or someone else once said about him that he was just motivated enough to win titles, be looked at as an all time great, be famous, and live the life. Which is fine. He still had a career that was better than all but maybe a dozen guys who ever lived. But I do think if he had Jordan's competitiveness he could be looked at as 1a and 1b with Jordan as GOAT.

Nobody had Jordan's competitiveness. That's why he's Jordan.

I might put Grant Hill in the top 10 most over rated players

Yep! Bernsie put it best. His competitiveness was pathological. That's why I'll take Jordan over Lebron 6 days a week, and twice on Sunday's and Game 7's.

+1

You're not great on potential. Yeah he was injured, but that's life. Penny Hardaway was pretty damn good for a bit too.

Exactly..just. cause Boers likes him...as a college player and pro when did this fuck know anything?

Not sure if serious....

Not even close. Gordon is one of the only players he has overdrafted. Deng has turned out to be a solid pick. Noah has turned out to be a really good pick(most people wanted Spencer Hawes). Kirk was ok enough his first go-around here.

A good case can be made that Paxson is the 2nd best drafting GM in the NBA right now, behind Sam Presti. His only weakness is not being aggressive enough on the trade front, but one bad blockbuster trade could easily undo all the work he's done the past six years. By being conservative and not selling the farm for KG or Kobe, he has built a team right now that should win 55-60 games a year for the forseeable future, and will most definitely not be in NBA Hell. He also hired who is now the 2nd best coach in the league(also hired Vinny but credit to him for firing Vinny even after making the playoffs two years in a row and then bringing in Thibs)