Why would any of you care whether or not someone considers you a "real fan?"

Why would any of you care whether or not someone considers you a "real fan?"

Why would you want to spend your Sunday afternoon watching criminals that aren't related to you play sports? You seem to be saying there is some football you are not a fan of. Correct?

If you hate Laurence, then don't listen - don't comment. When he co-hosts the B&B show, take that day off ... listen to an old podcast of a Bernstein solo show and jerk off all day.

Because I enjoy professional sports played at the highest level...

I am also a fan of porn but I wont be watching a bunch of underage amateurs do that either

I think that's a fantastic choice!

Back to the Bernstein family, I really liked what I saw of Beth's page. She seems very interesting, and I love how she transitioned in life to the career she has now. And I loved her post about the game. Not forming an ALS though!!

We are going to have to start an Estrogen Posts section for this board to seclude these types of posts

I agree that the NFL in particular is a "made for TV" game. I'm not sure it's "best represented" that way though. Being at a live event is different. And the vast majority of people claiming to be NFL fans never see an NFL game in person. That makes them fans of a TV show. It's easy to turn on a TV. It's just as easy to turn it off.

What does being a fan mean? That you care about something? That you have an inordinate amount of interest in the subject? I don't know how you want to define being a fan of something. And anyway, I don't think there's any litmus test for being a fan. Do whatever you want. I'm just telling you how I see the vast majority of people claiming to be "big football fans". It really is about choices. Let's not go to an extreme example like your peasants in the Congo. Most people in this forum who would state that it's too difficult and expensive to go aren't destitute. They've just chosen to spend their money on other things. Football isn't that important to them. And flipping a switch on a TV is easy. I don't think that necessarily makes them less of a fan than the Hawks fan who has seen 2100 straight games in person, but it probably does.

well, i can't judge a person based on whether they watch the game at home or go to a game. and for me, who is a saints fan, going to a game is a major event. but even if i can't watch them on TV, i will follow the game online somehow. that's what being a fan is. time, emotion, effort, and passion. pretty simple formula.

JORR may have made the most Bernstein-like, stupid stand this message board have ever seen. Well played. Big. Boy. Posting.

We lose a lot of rights when we look the other way when it doesn't affect our lives or it isn't a cause we agree with.

We lose a lot of rights when we look the other way when it doesn't affect our lives or it isn't a cause we agree with.

JORR, you really have made perhaps the most perplexing argument ever. After all of your posts, I still don't get it. You make the point that seeing in person is different than tv, which everyone agrees. But you fail to make any valid points beyond that.

Joe has me thinking and now I am really confused about something. I am a big fan of the Conan O'Brien Show. Now, it is a TV show, so if I go to a live taping of it does that make me more or less of a fan of the show?

I think I'm making a pretty clear point. I'm not sure why anyone is angry with my observation. Maybe it's because they feel as if it's an indictment of their own "fandom". Believe me, it isn't. I couldn't care less what anyone likes, loves, or hates.

Are you a fan of the Conan O'Brien Show or of Conan O'Brien? Are you a fan of football or the NFL on CBS?

I think I'm making a pretty clear point. I'm not sure why anyone is angry with my observation. Maybe it's because they feel as if it's an indictment of their own "fandom". Believe me, it isn't. I couldn't care less what anyone likes, loves, or hates.

It's mind bottling (sic).

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

No one is angry with your observation, JORR, they are just effectively lampooning it.

When it comes to being a fan is this correct?

Played the Sport > Attending games > watching on TV

Oh, I definitely sense some anger. Methinks some people are less than comfortable with their own commitment to the team. I can't tell you why that would be. Everyone is entitled to like whatever they like to whatever degree they choose.

But a word has to have a particular meaning. If it doesn't, we can't really use it to communicate. We have to agree on what "fan" means. The fact is, it's short for fanatic. What is a fanatic? Someone who watches TV? Maybe that's a television fanatic.

Again, I don't really care what anyone else likes or what they do. But people claim all kinds of stupid shit all the time. It's like, "I'm not racist, but..." before spouting some shit that definitely makes them seem to be very racist. So if you really think you're a football fan, you should ask yourself, if they passed a law that made it illegal to watch football on television, would I go seek football out, or would I just watch something else on television? For most people, I'm pretty sure I know the answer.

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I don't think that's correct. I played a lot of soccer and I'm definitely not a fan of it.

Yes it is.

When this is all over, which is not going to be for a while, Trump will be re-elected President.

Arguing you must have a played a sport to be a true fan is no more ridiculous that saying you must attend games to be a true fan.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I get exactly what JORR is saying about football as we digest it being more a TV show than a sporting event, and I agree.

I'm a big dumb shitlib baby