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Which part? What about his record leads you to think he's unqualified for a HC job?

He is unqualified to be a leader of men in the NFL right now. They better get out of the gate fast or he will lose the defense and probably Jay at some point.


What I don't get is the same thing I mentioned to Nas. How is Trestmans hire substantially different from the several DCs and OCs that get hired each year as first time head coaches? The only difference is Trestman has HC experience in a different league, as well as the coordinating background in the NFL. You could even say his background is more dynamic than the typical young OC who is the league's hottest candidate every year


You have to factor in the length of time away in the CFL with him being a very weird guy. He is kind of the guru nerd guy that really has long dusty road to navigate to get players to buy in. Most of the players on this team probably had no idea who the hell he was when he was hired. Giving him a year as OC to get re-acclimated to the league and the the league re-acclimated to him would have been wise IMO. It would give you an incredibly better read on how his offense is going to work and how the guys are responding to his locker room counter culture vibe.

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You have to factor in the length of time away in the CFL with him being a very weird guy. He is kind of the guru nerd guy that really has long dusty road to navigate to get players to buy in. Most of the players on this team probably had no idea who the hell he was when he was hired. Giving him a year as OC to get re-acclimated to the league and the the league re-acclimated to him would have been wise IMO. It would give you an incredibly better read on how his offense is going to work and how the guys are responding to his locker room counter culture vibe.


With regards to his personality quirks and what not, every team has to make that adjustment to a new coach. It's the same whether the new coach is someone like Josh McDaniels and his arrogant, very "Belichickian" approach, or the soft-spoken style of a guy like Tony Dungy, who had replaced a guy with completely different personality traits in Jim Mora. The challenge those locker rooms faced in adapting to the style of a new coach, weird or not, is no different than what the Bears are going through now.

Again I don't see the CFL thing as a big deal. He also went back to practicing law for a time in between OC stints or something. He also went back to the NCAA for a second stint. He's obviously a very adaptable guy who can effectively process information and data in varied contexts. The adaptabilty part is crucial because you mentioned wanting to know how his offense is going to work, but I don't think there is a "his" offense; there's are plays within the wider, general scheme that work, and there are plays he'll see, for whatever reason, won't work. So if there is a Trestman offense, it's a set of plays that he knows the Bears can run, and it will change based on how the Bears personnel changes over time. This is not a guy who, in very Martzian fashion, is trying to jam a square peg into a round hole.

That being said, I'm not trying to predict greatness for this guy or anything. I'm just arguing that the Bears' hiring process was sound, and that it led them to a candidate whose record demonstrates expertise in areas where the Bears suck, and in areas that are important to every NFL team.

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Which part? What about his record leads you to think he's unqualified for a HC job?

He is unqualified to be a leader of men in the NFL right now. They better get out of the gate fast or he will lose the defense and probably Jay at some point.


Was Jim Harbaugh qualified to be a leader of Men in the NFL?

Lovie?

Jauron?

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don't forget during the draft as well

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Scorehead wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
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Which part? What about his record leads you to think he's unqualified for a HC job?

He is unqualified to be a leader of men in the NFL right now. They better get out of the gate fast or he will lose the defense and probably Jay at some point.


Was Jim Harbaugh qualified to be a leader of Men in the NFL?

Lovie?

Jauron?


Yes- he led many a huddles as a pretty good starting NFL QB and was honing his skills at the collegiate level. There was nothing quirky about his collegiate head coaching. He was on the fast track to the NFL.

Yes- he was a successful assistant on a very good team and was hired from that position. He didn't take 7 years off to go to Canada

Debatable but in hindsight not really- He got hired as HC twice.

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Hire him as a coordinator then. This will be a huge success or an epic failure.


But coordinators get HC jobs all the time; some fail, some exceed. Exclusive OC/DC experience is not a red flag, if that's what you were trying to imply. I'd value his HC experience by placing it in the leadership/management category, and not necessarily the football experience as HC since the playing styles between the leagues are vastly different. But that doesn't mean his handling of the roster/locker-room experience in the CFL should be devalued.

He's been around long enough to convince me that, if he fails, it won't be epic. I think the worst thing that could happen is a string of mediocre seasons.


Personnel and offense has been the issue with the previous 2 Bears coaches but leadership was never an issue. I don't question what this guy was able to do with offenses and QB's in the past but he's not a leader. He was able to reach QB's 1 on 1 and get their respect but he hasn't been able to do that with a team on a college or pro level. Nothing about him says that he can. If anything goes wrong he will lose this team. Having to follow a great leader like Lovie makes his job that much tougher.

Rumor has it he was being looked at as a coordinator initially. That may have been too generous for a guy that had been out the league so long. Him and Emery appear to be like minded and equally weird (to be football guys) so it really isn't surprising they hit it off. Making him a head coach may have been a stretch. We'll find out soon.

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You have to factor in the length of time away in the CFL with him being a very weird guy. He is kind of the guru nerd guy that really has long dusty road to navigate to get players to buy in. Most of the players on this team probably had no idea who the hell he was when he was hired. Giving him a year as OC to get re-acclimated to the league and the the league re-acclimated to him would have been wise IMO. It would give you an incredibly better read on how his offense is going to work and how the guys are responding to his locker room counter culture vibe.


With regards to his personality quirks and what not, every team has to make that adjustment to a new coach. It's the same whether the new coach is someone like Josh McDaniels and his arrogant, very "Belichickian" approach, or the soft-spoken style of a guy like Tony Dungy, who had replaced a guy with completely different personality traits in Jim Mora. The challenge those locker rooms faced in adapting to the style of a new coach, weird or not, is no different than what the Bears are going through now.

Again I don't see the CFL thing as a big deal. He also went back to practicing law for a time in between OC stints or something. He also went back to the NCAA for a second stint. He's obviously a very adaptable guy who can effectively process information and data in varied contexts. The adaptabilty part is crucial because you mentioned wanting to know how his offense is going to work, but I don't think there is a "his" offense; there's are plays within the wider, general scheme that work, and there are plays he'll see, for whatever reason, won't work. So if there is a Trestman offense, it's a set of plays that he knows the Bears can run, and it will change based on how the Bears personnel changes over time. This is not a guy who, in very Martzian fashion, is trying to jam a square peg into a round hole.

That being said, I'm not trying to predict greatness for this guy or anything. I'm just arguing that the Bears' hiring process was sound, and that it led them to a candidate whose record demonstrates expertise in areas where the Bears suck, and in areas that are important to every NFL team.


We all know people who are very smart and have great ideas but lack the personality traits to lead or be the face of an operation and Trestman appears to be one of them.

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Nas wrote:
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Hire him as a coordinator then. This will be a huge success or an epic failure.


But coordinators get HC jobs all the time; some fail, some exceed. Exclusive OC/DC experience is not a red flag, if that's what you were trying to imply. I'd value his HC experience by placing it in the leadership/management category, and not necessarily the football experience as HC since the playing styles between the leagues are vastly different. But that doesn't mean his handling of the roster/locker-room experience in the CFL should be devalued.

He's been around long enough to convince me that, if he fails, it won't be epic. I think the worst thing that could happen is a string of mediocre seasons.


Personnel and offense has been the issue with the previous 2 Bears coaches but leadership was never an issue. I don't question what this guy was able to do with offenses and QB's in the past but he's not a leader. He was able to reach QB's 1 on 1 and get their respect but he hasn't been able to do that with a team on a college or pro level. Nothing about him says that he can. If anything goes wrong he will lose this team. Having to follow a great leader like Lovie makes his job that much tougher.

Rumor has it he was being looked at as a coordinator initially. That may have been too generous for a guy that had been out the league so long. Him and Emery appear to be like minded and equally weird (to be football guys) so it really isn't surprising they hit it off. Making him a head coach may have been a stretch. We'll find out soon.


I don't think it's fair to completely dismiss his HC experience, especially to such an extent that it's not even mentioned when projecting his ability to lead. What I take from his 2-1 championship record in the CFL is he got guys to buy in and win for him. Yes, they were CFL guys, but coaching them up into the best team in the league more often than not has to count for something in the leadership department.

In terms of the weirdness factor, I think that's way too subjective to even bring up in a conversation like this. We're basing our judgments on soundbites and press conferences. Lovie came off as a condescending jerk, but we know his players didn't feel that way. Or at least most of them. What the players think of Trestman is all that matters.

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Scorehead wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:

Which part? What about his record leads you to think he's unqualified for a HC job?

He is unqualified to be a leader of men in the NFL right now. They better get out of the gate fast or he will lose the defense and probably Jay at some point.


Was Jim Harbaugh qualified to be a leader of Men in the NFL?

Lovie?

Jauron?


Yes. They had led men effectively in the NFL and college or had success playing at a high level.

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Nas wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:

Which part? What about his record leads you to think he's unqualified for a HC job?

He is unqualified to be a leader of men in the NFL right now. They better get out of the gate fast or he will lose the defense and probably Jay at some point.


Was Jim Harbaugh qualified to be a leader of Men in the NFL?

Lovie?

Jauron?


Yes. They had led men effectively in the NFL and college or had success playing at a high level.


Lovie and Jauron became rookie NFL HCs the moment they were hired, just like Trestman.

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Nas wrote:
Scorehead wrote:
Urlacher's missing neck wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:

Which part? What about his record leads you to think he's unqualified for a HC job?

He is unqualified to be a leader of men in the NFL right now. They better get out of the gate fast or he will lose the defense and probably Jay at some point.


Was Jim Harbaugh qualified to be a leader of Men in the NFL?

Lovie?

Jauron?


Yes. They had led men effectively in the NFL and college or had success playing at a high level.


So did Tresty.

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RT - J'Marcus Webb: bad at LT and somehow flipping him to RT makes him serviceable?
RG - Kyle Long: 5 college starts and no technique
C - Roberto Garza: 34 years old (back up is who?)
LG - Matt Slauson: good serviceable player
LT - Jermon Bushrod: bad calf, benefitted from Brees having one of quickest releases in NFL

Offensive line is considered fixed why?


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Pretty impressive conclusions being drawn from less than a week of practice.

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West Coast offense with Cutler? Forte 400 touches? This will be Cutlers last year as a Bear and Forte can't last that long...injured by game 4.Emery is daft


Hey!

Just because Trestman uses words with more than 2 syllables and reads books that aren't about sports DOESN'T mean that he isn't out there trying to win!


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RT - J'Marcus Webb: bad at LT and somehow flipping him to RT makes him serviceable?
RG - Kyle Long: 5 college starts and no technique
C - Roberto Garza: 34 years old (back up is who?)
LG - Matt Slauson: good serviceable player
LT - Jermon Bushrod: bad calf, benefitted from Brees having one of quickest releases in NFL

Offensive line is considered fixed why?


Becoming an average group will be an upgrade. You can win with average/decent O-line play.

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Dewskie wrote:
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don't forget during the draft as well

Honestly though, your thoughts suck.


Members like you are why this board blows.


Because I gave out some spot on assessments as the draft was happening?

You know what would make this board great? Waiting three years to assess drafts.

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