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PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2013 11:46 am 
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Who are the top five Chicago pitchers that you've seen during your time following baseball?

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Jack McDowell
Greg Maddux
Mark Buehrle
Mark Prior (when healthy)
Chris Sale (better than anyone else I remember seeing over the last 25-30 years or so)

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Ferguson Jenkins
Greg Maddux
Mark Buehrle
Wilbur Wood
Rick Reusheul

Others:
Gary Peters
Kerry Wood
Mark Prior
Rick Suthcliff

MLB:
Roger Clemons
Randy Johnson
Bob Gibson
Tom Seaver
Sandy Koufax

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Seaver
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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seaver
Carlton
Maddux
Contreras
Jenkins


Contreras????

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Top 5 Greatest Cub Relievers:
Dennis Eckersley
Hoyt Wilhelm
Goose Gossage
Bruce Sutter
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Top 5 Cub/Sox pitchers with most wins:
Greg Maddux 355
Steve Carlton 329
Tom Seaver 311
Ferguson Jenkins 286
David Wells 239

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RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seaver
Carlton
Maddux
Contreras
Jenkins


Contreras????


Modern day Satchel Paige. Had he been able to play a full big league career, he'd be in the conversation with Johnson, Maddux, and Clemens.

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Satchel Paige is right. Bull fucking shit that guy was 31 when he debuted.

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seaver
Carlton
Maddux
Contreras
Jenkins

Seaver and Carlton in their White Sox days?


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Maddux
McDowell
Prior
Zambrano
Buehrle/Contreras


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If you are talking about one game, when these guys were at the top.....

LaMarr Hoyt
Wood
Prior
Black Jack
Fernandez

Best I ever saw.....an old coworker of mine had a brother that worked for the Sox. About 4 times a year he got us criminal seats in the front row. We saw Randy Johnson up close. That guy was scary.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seaver
Carlton
Maddux
Contreras
Jenkins

Seaver and Carlton in their White Sox days?


Yeah, that's why it's a tough question to answer. Is it just how the guys pitched in the Chicago uniforms?

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Contreras was awesome in 2005, maybe the best single-season pitching performance in Chicago, but fell off hard in later years. That's what happens when you have your career year at age 50.

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Difficult question. I will have to look into this. One thing off the top of my head is Prior does not belong on my list due to no longevity. Also, none of the hall of famers that were at the end here. McDowell and Maddux as well as Wood are on my list. Interesting question to fill in the others.

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I would add Buerhle and Sutcliffe over Zambrano as he was such a head case. I was on MLB.com and was surprised Prior is not only not in top 50 in all time wins but also WHIP as well.

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Really, if we're going strictly on their body of work in Chicago uniforms, Zambrano has to be on the list ahead of a lot of guys.

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If you are talking total body of work, you'd have to go:

Buehrle
Maddux
Jenkins
Rueschel
McDowell

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Prior in 2003
Loaiza in 2003
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Prior in 2003
Loaiza in 2003
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Buehrle/ Zambrano when sane

I considered Loaiza but wasn't Jason Bere better that one year?


Also if were doing the one year thing, hard to keep Sutcliffes 16-1 in 84 off the list


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Bielecki in 89 (2nd half he was ridiculous)
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RFDC wrote:
Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
Seaver
Carlton
Maddux
Contreras
Jenkins


Contreras????

he had a stretch where he went like 19-1 and the forkball, his signature pitch was basically unhittable.
At first, i was like "WTF?" seeing his name on a list such as this, but i believe Orr is talking about stretches of pitching dominance he has actually witnessed. Under those criteria, Contreras has to be in the conversation.

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Contreras run at the end of 05 into 06 was basically Prior's 03 second half run plus a World Series title


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