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Two criteria can apply:

1) Greatest QB over the span of a career (longevity taken into account)

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2) Greatest QB at one given time (longevity is irrelevant for this one)

I'll take Peyton Manning for both. Having been born in '84, my true appreciation for sports started in the late '90's/early 2000's...

Favre was great at times, but had too many mistakes. Brady has been great for different periods of time. Rodgers was amazing a couple years ago. Manning stands the test of time. He plays chess and everyone else plays checkers. Whether it's '04 (when he threw for 49 TDs) or right now, Manning is unbelievable. I hope he plays another 10 years. I love watching this motherfucker.

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His playoffs record leaves much to be desired, but I'd agree that he the best in the last 20 years.

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I cant forgive him for all the early career playoff losses.


He wasnt just decent and they lost. He was horrible.




Ill take Joe Montana


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Elway
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I cant forgive him for all the early career playoff losses.


He wasnt just decent and they lost. He was horrible.

Ill take Joe Montana



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As long as Jerry Rice is part of the deal.


If Manning wins a Super Bowl with Denver, will that be the first NFL QB to win Super Bowls with 2 different teams.


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Too young to have seen most of Montana's work.

I will go with:
Brady
Favre

Peyton imo is a regular season stat whore.

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#2 is Jeff George.

I was sitting in the 3rd row at midfield when he rolled left and threw on the run from the 42 on a rope to the opposite corner of the end zone and hit Mike Bellamy on the hands.

Greatest throw I've ever seen.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
I cant forgive him for all the early career playoff losses.


He wasnt just decent and they lost. He was horrible.

Ill take Joe Montana



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As long as Jerry Rice is part of the deal.


If Manning wins a Super Bowl with Denver, will that be the first NFL QB to win Super Bowls with 2 different teams.


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I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?

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Too young to have seen most of Montana's work.

I will go with:
Brady
Favre

Peyton imo is a regular season stat whore.


It matters what you do in the postseason and he has routinely choked. That trend probably continues if Danielle Manning doesn't blow the coverage and Benson holds onto the ball.

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Manning or Rodgers.

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Did more with less and did it in a more defensive time.

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leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?

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leashyourkids wrote:
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I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?

Anything to do with qbs.

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Saw Montana at Lambeau Field in the early '90s. He was amazing.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

I was sitting in the 3rd row at midfield .


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leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?


Every objective list. This eras stats will diminish past greatness. No one (even his family) would argue Stafford is a great QB but according to the stats he has the most yards over a 50 game period in NFL history.

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Elway's career-high in TD passes was 27 in 1997. Peyton Manning came within one the next year (his rookie year) in 1998.

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Nas wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Nas wrote:
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I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?


Different era. Different rules. Elway is top 2 on every list.


Every what list?


Every objective list. This eras stats will diminish past greatness. No one (even his family) would argue Stafford is a great QB but according to the stats he has the most yards over a 50 game period in NFL history.


OK... I don't necessarily disagree - stats lie - but can you show me a couple of these "objective" lists?

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:

I was sitting in the 3rd row at midfield .


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Just sayin'. It happened 40 feet in front of me.

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Michael Bishop was the greatest arm I've ever seen.

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leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?
You have to adjust for the current QB friendly era. Otherwise:
Philip Rivers: TD's.......200....INT's....95 in 9.25 seasons = 21.62 td's a season, 10.27

Take that out to 16 seasons to compare and we have 346 touchdowns for Rivers and 164 interceptions.

Is Philip Rivers that much better than Elway?

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leashyourkids wrote:
I know it's all opinion, but I'm surprised by the John Elway response....

Elway career TD's........300.... INT's....226
Manning career TD's....448.....INT's.....209

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One more Super Bowl victory is worth a +148 TD and -17 INT ratio?
You have to adjust for the current QB friendly era. Otherwise:
Philip Rivers: TD's.......200....INT's....95 in 9.25 seasons = 21.62 td's a season, 10.27

Take that out to 16 seasons to compare and we have 346 touchdowns for Rivers and 164 interceptions.

Is Philip Rivers that much better than Elway?


No, I certainly agree that you have to adjust for the era. Manning's stats are overwhelmingly better than Elway's, so let's take a better comparison...

Marino had 420 and 252. He had 120 more TD's and 26 more INT's than Elway. Shouldn't he be in the conversation, too, then?

Let me also note that Manning started his career the year Elway retired, so it's not like we're talking about generations apart...

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Over the past 17 years the rules in the NFL have drastically changed to the benefit of Peyton. Also the talent he has played with is probably 2nd to Montana.

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leashyourkids wrote:
No, I certainly agree that you have to adjust for the era. Manning's stats are overwhelmingly better than Elway's, so let's take a better comparison...

Marino had 420 and 252. He had 120 more TD's and 26 more INT's than Elway. Shouldn't he be in the conversation, too, then?
Fair or not, winning at least one ring matters.
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Let me also note that Manning started his career the year Elway retired, so it's not like we're talking about generations apart...
We are though. QB's who are highly unlikely to make the hall of fame are putting up better numbers than they even expected of QB's in the 90s or before.

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