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PostPosted: Sun Nov 10, 2013 4:07 pm 
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Lets take out 3 of our best offensive players just to make it fair to the defense. Trestman won that game against the packers. He lost it today. Poor gameplan from the beginning

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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I haven't seen most of it yet. What happened? What should they have been doing, aside from Cutler not playing.


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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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I thought his play calling was fine today. It was his decision making that cost the Bears. Leaving Cutler in when he was clearly injured and not taking those points in the first half.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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I thought his play calling was fine today. It was his decision making that cost the Bears. Leaving Cutler in when he was clearly injured and not taking those points in the first half.


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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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The plays for the 2 point conversion to tie were bad.

Spread it out to allow for the most options.

Bad.


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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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The plays for the 2 point conversion to tie were bad.

Spread it out to allow for the most options.

Bad.

Yeah a shotgun draw from the 1 when Forte had been awful all day is pretty damn far from my definition of fine. The same goes for the 4th and 1; the decision was correct but the call sucked.


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leashyourkids wrote:
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I thought his play calling was fine today. It was his decision making that cost the Bears. Leaving Cutler in when he was clearly injured and not taking those points in the first half.


You have me on ignore?


Of course not. Posted without reading the other comments.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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The plays for the 2 point conversion to tie were bad.

Spread it out to allow for the most options.

Bad.

Yeah a shotgun draw from the 1 when Forte had been awful all day is pretty damn far from my definition of fine. The same goes for the 4th and 1; the decision was correct but the call sucked.


McCown up the middle or a quick lazer to a 6'5 guy cutting in.

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This is what happens when your quarterback doesn't have access to Canadian healthcare.

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You guys can laugh,but this loss made me ill physically. I feel nauseus and my blood pressure has gone up,my face feels flushed.

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cpguy wrote:
The plays for the 2 point conversion to tie were bad.

Spread it out to allow for the most options.

Bad.

It didn't even need to have options. Betting the farm on a throw to Alshon or Marshall with no one else running a route would have even been ok with me.


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The plays for the 2 point conversion to tie were bad.

Spread it out to allow for the most options.

Bad.

It didn't even need to have options. Betting the farm on a throw to Alshon or Marshall with no one else running a route would have even been ok with me.


I agree.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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You guys can laugh,but this loss made me ill physically. I feel nauseus and my blood pressure has gone up,my face feels flushed.


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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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Just being honest. This game was a giveaway.

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Just being honest. This game was a giveaway.


It was. So much was at stake today.

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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jimmypasta wrote:
You guys can laugh,but this loss made me ill physically. I feel nauseus and my blood pressure has gone up,my face feels flushed.


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His blood pressure is going up. Are you crazy?

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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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Mr. Reason wrote:
Don Tiny wrote:
jimmypasta wrote:
You guys can laugh,but this loss made me ill physically. I feel nauseus and my blood pressure has gone up,my face feels flushed.


callerannepasta

His blood pressure is going up. Are you crazy?


Maybe everybody's reporting different scores. It was 21-19 Detroit, Jimmy. Did you have money on the game?


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 Post subject: Re: Offensive genius
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Don Tiny wrote:
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You guys can laugh,but this loss made me ill physically. I feel nauseus and my blood pressure has gone up,my face feels flushed.


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His blood pressure is going up. Are you crazy?


Maybe everybody's reporting different scores. It was 21-19 Detroit, Jimmy. Did you have money on the game?

He's 88 yrs old and been in sports all his life. Except for hockey, he hates hockey. Mr. 5' 8.5" Berns is his soulmate. That is, until the last few years when Bern's has transformed into Mr. Hockey.

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That is, until the last few years when Bern's has transformed into Mr. Hockey.


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I was a hockey fan. Does Jimmy Pappin still play RW?

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He's 88 yrs old and been in sports all his life. Except for hockey, he hates hockey. Mr. 5' 8.5" Berns is his soulmate. That is, until the last few years when Bern's has transformed into Mr. Hockey.


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I haven't seen most of it yet. What happened? What should they have been doing, aside from Cutler not playing.


The first chance at the 2 point conversion featured removing Marshall, Jeffrey and I believe Bennett in some odd hope of confusing the Lions. The second play was equally dumbfounding but who would ever take out those two?

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McCown up the middle or a quick lazer to a 6'5 guy cutting in.

McCown would have been stuffed. Did you see the penetration the Lions got when they stopped Forte? Do you think McCown would have had better luck?

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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.

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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.


Possibly. They didn't do it though when he came off the bench rusty. The Bears left at least 14 points on the field yesterday. They should have won even with an injured Cutler and I believe they win with a healthy McCown.

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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
I don't know. Chad Pennington( heir to the lawn seed empire) had a pretty decent career with average physical skills and defenses set up to frustrate him.

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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.


Possibly. They didn't do it though when he came off the bench rusty. The Bears left at least 14 points on the field yesterday. They should have won even with an injured Cutler and I believe they win with a healthy McCown.


True, but Detroit was in prevent at that stage of the game. I think a full game would be different - take away short to intermediate throws, use the same game plan against the run that they used yesterday, and force McCown to beat you exclusively through the air.

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leashyourkids wrote:
If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
Jay Cutler's "physical skills" are overrated. Nick Foles is currently making great throws too multiple times a game. It's time to stop celebrating the fact that Jay Cutler can have a good drive every so often.

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badrogue17 wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
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If Josh McCown looks like a Pro Bowler in his offense, I'd say that makes him an offensive guru. Since he starts an injured Jay Cutler, I'd say that makes him a bad coach (for that one decision).


I'm wondering if they went with Cutler because McCown may be easier to game-plan against. McCown has looked awesome, but I assume no system can hide his average physical skills for more than a game or two. With six quarters on tape, I'm sure Detroit would have enough data to come up with some schemes to really frustrate McCown, who I assume can be easily frustrated more so than better skilled QBs.
I don't know. Chad Pennington( heir to the lawn seed empire) had a pretty decent career with average physical skills and defenses set up to frustrate him.


I would have strongly agreed with you 4-5 years ago, or whenever it was that Pennington broke into the league and did quite well. But he's been an afterthought for awhile now. I think he's only starting now in Jacksonville because Gabbert is injured.

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