I haven't heard the radio today, but what he said about his time management was bullshit. While he sounded smart, it was actually stupid.

So the Ravens had the ball on the 5. 1st and goal, with 1:16 left. He said if they call 3 straight time outs, they only get the ball with 18 seconds. Wrong. Yeah, if they run it 3 straight times you'd get the ball back with about 18 seconds.

What if they throw an incomplete pass? You save a time out and they can't run off 40 seconds on the game clock. It would actually mean you save like 65-70 seconds cuz now you stop it on 4th down instead of using your last on 3rd down. So you'd then get the ball back with over a minute.

It worked out. But it was wrong. Don't do it again, Trestman. Please, somebody explain to the genius coach what a cracker on a message board just said.

Beardown if Trestman had called the timeouts and the Ravens scored a TD with a minute left do you really think the Bears would be able to drive the field in that weather needing a touchdown with no timeouts ?

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It would be tough. But I'd rather have that minute than lose the game cuz I have no time. That's pretty simple to understand.

Plus, you'd have that minute if they just tied it with a FG (assuming one incomplete pass, like I said). Maybe you get a good return and kick the FG instead of chancing it in OT.

Lovie would have had no timeouts left

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Yeah the fact that we're having this debate is proof how much better at clock management Trestman really is.

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I like Trestman, but sometimes thinking you're the smartest guy in the room is dangerous. Especially when you're actually wrong. That's actually the sign of an idiot.

I just hope this converstation is had with him. If I can think of it, maybe somebody with the Bears can sit him down and explain it. It's actually common sense.

I dont think he even acts like that at the very least. I like the fact he goes for 4th downs, its an offesnive league, you need to score.

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Agreed. Genius play caller. He's got balls on 4th down. He was just wrong here. I actually think he'd accept that he was wrong if somebody explained it to him. I think he's smart. I just think he out smarted him self in this case. Well intended. I know he was thinking a certain way. I got what he was saying. But it wasn't as complicated as he made it out to be. He confused himself on the sideline by trying to think too much. He just was wrong as I've just explained.

I couldn't agree more. It was not smart football. He stated his reason behind it, but his reasoning was severely flawed. Much like the Green Bay 4th down, this will be overlooked because of the outcome of the game. His argument was basically that he was going to force their hand in play calling by not giving them free time outs, but every team spends practice time specifically focused on a 2 minute drill, and every team spends practice time specifically on red zone plays. Plus, they had two time outs so if they really wanted to change up the personnel for some reason, they could have done it at least once, and twice if they were planning on passing on 3rd down regardless.

His whole thing about drives from the 16 yard line converting about 15% of the time was a great example of getting a fact right, but not applying it correctly. You always use the most recent information you have about a situation... I'm not sure if he is implying he didn't call timeouts because the Ravens only had a 15% chance of scoring a TD from the 5 yard line because they started with it from the 16 yard line or not, but if not, then what's the point of even bringing that up. Drives that start on the 16 and end up at the 5 score TDs 80% of the time in the past five years. Even then, it is all irrelevant because you just want to look at conversion rates of 1st and goal from the 5, and even then that's irrelevant because you have to adjust very significantly for the offense and defense in question -- these aren't two league average teams playing. Within that, you have to look at the individual matchups and so on, to the point that saying 15% of the time the TD is made just makes you sound like you know what you are talking about, but if you really dig into it, it makes no sense.

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Once they crossed mid field it was well Over 15% to score a TD. Once they crossed the 20 it was probably over 50% of a TD. Once they had 1st and goal on the 5 it was OVER 70% for a TD.

And his bullshit about them not getting personal in the game cuz of time is wrong. 1st and goal on the 5 with 1:16 means you have plenty of time to get your personal in the game and run 3 plays. Especially if there is one incomplete pass.

Trestman loses. I win.

Trestman's decision resulted in a Bears victory. He wins.

My question that I asked before: Does anybody remember seeing the Bears blitz. It's sometimes hard to pick up on TV,but I don't see the LB's charging in. My theory,they are burning you anyway so you might as well blitz,even if it's just one guy. It might shave a second or two off the QB's time to throw.

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Now, Trestman did indicate that he would do this if he can get 3 TOs in a row. I understand that. Cuz let's say they get a first down after you call a time out when they're at the 50. That helps them. Not good. Then they get another 1st on 2nd and short after you call a TO on the 30. Not good. So I get that part. I had no problem with no time outs before they crossed the 20.

It depends on down, distance, field position and time in these situations.

So he'll do the normal thing most times. He's not stupid. So for an example, you'd call a TO if you had like a 2nd and 15 with 3:00 from the 25 or something like that. Cuz low percentage to get a 1st down at that point. No TO if you had 2nd and 5 from the 25 with 3:00 minutes. Get it? That's how you have to think.

He just out thought himself at 1st and goal from the 5. Cuz they couldn't get another 1st down to kill the clock. That was a no brainer. That's where I have the problem.

This was a unique situation that won't happen much. He was still wrong.

I'm not sure there is a wrong answer.

In a league where the defense is at such a major disadvantage the timeouts probably benefit the offense more in terms of playcalling. Also, if there was a defensive penalty all of a sudden you are doubling the chances of them scoring in conditions that were not easy for the offense. Neither team was going to easily move down the entire field in 45 seconds.

If the Bears called timeouts, the Ravens likely run on that third down play and Ray Rice is great at getting 3 yards and falling down.

The Bears were screwed either way.

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It is possible to get a TD with no time outs and a minute on the clock. Brady did it vs. the Saints this year. Plenty of QBs have done it through the years.

I understand the field sucked and it was gonna be tough with the wind. But in OT McCowen threw a 43 yard pass to Bennett going towards the South endzone for the eventual game winning FG. That's the same way they would have gone in regulation had they needed a last minute drive.

It's possible to get a touchdown with 1 second on the clock too. That doesn't mean you should count on it. I think the biggest advantage was that the Bears knew the Ravens couldn't run on 3rd down because the clock would run out.

I don't think either answer is right. Trestman decided to limit the potential of the Ravens being able to run more plays or to be able to keep on running the ball.

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Which turned out to be the right decision.

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

You can hit on 16 with the dealer having a 4 in blackjack and it work out for you. Doesn't mean it's the right move. You'll lose more than win doing this. Same with Trestman's decision.

You have any facts to back up that statement or is it just your opinion?

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It aint the six minutes. Its what happens in those six minutes.

You'll lose with the ball and no time outs a lot too. I just want that chance.

I don't need to look up stats to figure out it's better to have 1 minute on the clock rather than 0 seconds on the clock when you're down in a football game.

I don't think I'm a genius for saying that I'd like time on the clock to try to win a football game. I didn't think this would be a controversial stance. I guess it is.

You would rather have seen the Ravens score a TD on 3rd down with 25 seconds or so left and the Bears without enough time to manage a drive than gamble that Baltimore wouldn't score there? I just don't see the harm in using the timeout's. There's no doubt that mounting a drive would be tough in that weather, but why not give yourself a chance?

I think that strategy was not wise, but thankfully the Ravens were unable to execute on that drive.

I think that if Trestman had used his timeouts that the way the Ravens were moving the ball especially on the ground that they would've definitely scored a touchdown. Then the Bears would need a touchdown to win and in those conditions that the odds of them driving 70 plus yards in the minute or so they would've had left were next to nil. What he did ended up being the right call. If its in a dome or 70 degrees and sunny you probably use the time outs and and get your O back out there with as much time as possible. In the conditions they were playing in what he did was correct

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