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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:58 pm 
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Better than the Gaines Adams trade.
You got me there.

I wonder if Cleveland knew how bad he really was or if they got lucky too.

I'm pretty sure they knew.

Jim Brown ripped him the day he was drafted. They for sure knew.

dolphins is mad his Franklin>Fatty prediction hasn't worked out. I'm all in on Fatty. He's been a rock.


I ain't even mad.

Franklin was just a minor offshoot of the Lacy criticism.

I warned you that unlike most physical runners, Lacy gets worse with more carries both in game and in season. Remove the Bear game, as I think we can all agree that they are historically bad at run stopping and Lacy gave you a 3.0 YPC in 4 November games

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FavreFan wrote:
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Better than the Gaines Adams trade.
You got me there.

I wonder if Cleveland knew how bad he really was or if they got lucky too.


Eddie Lacey is pretty much the same guy and people are pushing him for ROY.

Keenan Allen should win ROY. But Lacy is at least an acceptable starting RB. Richardson is terrible at pretty much everything. To say they are the same guy is simply ignorant.


Over the last 5 games, Eddie Lacy is averaging 3.1 YPC...nothing like Trent Richardson at all.

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GD, your hatred for Fatty is unhealthy.

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Hey, he does have the Bears and Cowboys two out of the last three weeks, so I fully expect you guys will be able to be throwing out "see how wrong you are, dolphin" going into the off season

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Hey, he does have the Bears and Cowboys two out of the last three weeks, so I fully expect you guys will be able to be throwing out "see how wrong you are, dolphin" going into the off season

I have seen enough already to think you are wrong, I don't need to wait.

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Hey, he does have the Bears and Cowboys two out of the last three weeks, so I fully expect you guys will be able to be throwing out "see how wrong you are, dolphin" going into the off season
Perhaps but you can't cherry pick stats. Every running back faces good and bad D.

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Hey, he does have the Bears and Cowboys two out of the last three weeks, so I fully expect you guys will be able to be throwing out "see how wrong you are, dolphin" going into the off season
Perhaps but you can't cherry pick stats. Every running back faces good and bad D.


Eagles and Falcons are in those four games, so I think it is a representative of pretty middle of the road defenses but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. He is averaging 3.9 YPC for the season. Last year the average YPC league wide was 4.29.

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Richardson played hurt last season and he still looked like he was worth a top 5 pick. I have no idea what happened to him.

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good dolphin wrote:
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Jim Brown ripped him the day he was drafted. They for sure knew.

dolphins is mad his Franklin>Fatty prediction hasn't worked out. I'm all in on Fatty. He's been a rock.


I ain't even mad.

Franklin was just a minor offshoot of the Lacy criticism.

I warned you that unlike most physical runners, Lacy gets worse with more carries both in game and in season. Remove the Bear game, as I think we can all agree that they are historically bad at run stopping and Lacy gave you a 3.0 YPC in 4 November games

Just trying to push buttons. For a late 2nd rounder I'm happy with the pick. Packers had issues with short yardage and salting away games the past few years. He's not flashy but gets the job done. One of the few solutions to the many Packers issues shithead Ted actually fixed.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Jim Brown ripped him the day he was drafted. They for sure knew.

dolphins is mad his Franklin>Fatty prediction hasn't worked out. I'm all in on Fatty. He's been a rock.


I ain't even mad.

Franklin was just a minor offshoot of the Lacy criticism.

I warned you that unlike most physical runners, Lacy gets worse with more carries both in game and in season. Remove the Bear game, as I think we can all agree that they are historically bad at run stopping and Lacy gave you a 3.0 YPC in 4 November games

Just trying to push buttons. For a late 2nd rounder I'm happy with the pick. Packers had issues with short yardage and salting away games the past few years. He's not flashy but gets the job done. One of the few solutions to the many Packers issues shithead Ted actually fixed.


That is how I see him as well.

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RG3 trade looking pretty bad.


The RGIII trade is pretty cut and dry to me. If he wins a Superb Owl in Washington, it's a success. Anything less is a failure.


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I am saying it was a good trade because it put the Bears back in the mix. If you wanted to move forward with prodigiously talented tandem of Grossman and Orton then that's fine.
Back in what mix? The four years prior to Cutler were better than the first four years of Cutler.


That's kind of unfair since Cutler was a rookie in either 2006 or 2005. I'll say this: I'm far more confident in the Bears' chances with the 2005-06 D and a 22 or 23 year old Cutler than I am with Grossman or Orton. I'm sure you know at least 98% of the success the Bears had in the mid-2000s was due to the defense.

I'm not trying to convince you that Cutler is some hidden gem of a QB despite statistical evidence to the contrary. All I am saying is that he's a step up above the Fitzpatricks, Hennes, Palmers, etc., of the NFL world, and probably in the class of guys like E. Manning, Big Ben, Flacco, and so on. That's not satisfying, but it's what we have at the moment, and the success of non-elite QBs like Manning and Flacco is sufficient evidence for me to believe in Cutler's potential to take the Bears all the way.

That being said, I don't think that will happen anytime soon due to deficiencies on defense, and I'm fine if he walks. I wouldn't be surprised if he finds success elsewhere, including a Super Bowl appearance.

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:lol: Brick with another Jay Cutler thread.

Do you stay up at night thinking up the next thread you can start about him?

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That's kind of unfair since Cutler was a rookie in either 2006 or 2005. I'll say this: I'm far more confident in the Bears' chances with the 2005-06 D and a 22 or 23 year old Cutler than I am with Grossman or Orton. I'm sure you know at least 98% of the success the Bears had in the mid-2000s was due to the defense.
I'm saying that the Bears were better the four years prior to Cutler than they were the first four years with Cutler.
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probably in the class of guys like E. Manning, Big Ben, Flacco, and so on. That's not satisfying, but it's what we have at the moment, and the success of non-elite QBs like Manning and Flacco is sufficient evidence for me to believe in Cutler's potential to take the Bears all the way.
He has a long way to go to prove he is on the level of Manning, Big Ben, and Flacco, and I'm not even talking about Super Bowl rings. I'm talking about leading teams to the playoffs and playing well in the playoffs.
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:lol: Brick with another Jay Cutler thread.

Do you stay up at night thinking up the next thread you can start about him?
This one wasn't meant to be a Cutler thread. Cutler gets the attention though.

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I'm not trying to convince you that Cutler is some hidden gem of a QB despite statistical evidence to the contrary. All I am saying is that he's a step up above the Fitzpatricks, Hennes, Palmers, etc., of the NFL world, and probably in the class of guys like E. Manning, Big Ben, Flacco, and so on. That's not satisfying, but it's what we have at the moment, and the success of non-elite QBs like Manning and Flacco is sufficient evidence for me to believe in Cutler's potential to take the Bears all the way.
That's damning with faint praise. You could say make the same argument by saying he's in the class of Hostetler and Dilfer as well. I would also remove Big Ben from your argument. Cutler is a step down from him (when healthy).

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RG3 trade looking pretty bad.


The RGIII trade is pretty cut and dry to me. If he wins a Superb Owl in Washington, it's a success. Anything less is a failure.


:lol: :lol:


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Richardson played hurt last season and he still looked like he was worth a top 5 pick. I have no idea what happened to him.


He was a lead back for Alabama. That means that by his junior year he'd taken 750-1,000 shots on the field & God knows how many off the field. There really has never been a great (NFL)RB out of Alabama, possibly with the exception of Shaun Alexander.

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At no point @ anytime did trent Richardson look like a good back. he's always reminded me of Cadillac Williams .that is why you don't draft rbs with top 20 picks.

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:lol: Brick with another Jay Cutler thread.

Do you stay up at night thinking up the next thread you can start about him?
This one wasn't meant to be a Cutler thread. Cutler gets the attention though.
Except that his name is in the title. Akin to bigfan starting a Dome thread, but not wanting it to be about Jerry Reinsdorf.

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:lol: Brick with another Jay Cutler thread.

Do you stay up at night thinking up the next thread you can start about him?
This one wasn't meant to be a Cutler thread. Cutler gets the attention though.
Except that his name is in the title. Akin to bigfan starting a Dome thread, but not wanting it to be about Jerry Reinsdorf.
Yes Frank. Thanks for pointing out something that no one knew.

I meant the thread title as a joke.

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Oh.

Ha ha.

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