The only point of contention I'd raise here is McCown is unfortunately in the middle of a renaissance year at the wrong age. At 35 years old next year, I think teams should look at him as a great backup option and/or caretaker who can man the position while a rookie takes notes.

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What makes you confident that 2013 McCown is what they would get next year and not the McCown that existed prior to this year? The chances of QB the Bears draft sucking is pretty high unless you are just that sold on Trestman's ability to mold a QB at this point.

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Yeah, I'm not sure I'm comfortable with him as the starter. Might be a strange offseason.

That's his specialty, and it's been bolstered this year with the stats of McCown and Cutler when compared against prior years, so it's not unreasonable to think Trestman can work well with a rookie QB next year. He cannot make a bad QB become an All Pro, but it seems he knows how to optimize the talents of whoever he has on the roster.

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Or he could be somebody's Jim Plunkett.

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Yes I wouldn't sign him as a starter either. It may be that McCown is to the Bears what Flynn and Cassel were to the Packers and Pats, respectively. Unheralded QBs who excelled in a system designed to maximize their abilities, and then faltered elsewhere once removed from the system in which they excelled.

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Uh, last night was his 38th career start, and 7th for the Bears.

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I'm not confident, but if that happens the rookie plays.

I do hate the "Bears QB pick will probably suck" line of thinking. Then just sign Jay to a 10 year deal but also fire Emery because he sucks if we can't even trust him to pick a quarterback in a very deep QB draft.

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I was talking about this year just like I was talking about Grossman and the one year he started off great. How was that not obvious?

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2006 offense < 2013 offense
2006 defense >>> 2013 defense

Grossman put up Cutleresque numbers for 5 weeks before putting up real clunkers in week 6, 8, 11, 12, and 17. I don't recall you pining for Kyle Orton to take back the reins at that point.

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I haven't been following Philly too closely, but are they having the same argument with Foles and Vick? Vick has every bit the arm Cutler has, and is just as mobile (when healthy), but Foles is lighting it up and has the best QB rating in the NFL (McCown now 3rd behind Foles and Manning).

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No, they've officially moved on from Vick to Foles per the coach. He waited until Vick was done with his rehab to announce the switch.

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What exactly are you arguing? What does Orton have to do with 2006?

Rex Grossman looked like an all-pro for about half a season too. I'm not yet convinced that McCown won't see a massive dropoff in production too. I'm comparing the run McCown is on now to what Grossman did.

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So you are saying you don't expect McCown to throw for 13 TDs and 1 INT over his next 5 games? Way to go out on a limb. Just like Elmhurst Steve didn't think Chris Sale would keep up pace of a 9-2 record and 2.1something ERA during the second half of 2012.

I don't think there is anything wrong with the Bears going into next year with McCown as the #1 guy with a rookie ready to play at a moments notice.

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I didn't intend to make it into an interesting point. You just responded in an illogical way to it.

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Yeah, he's probably slightly better. Not 15 million dollars a year better.

Id rather save that money and spend it on the D or a Mannelly statue

And, Id be careful to judge McCown. He had 13 starts with the god awful Cardinals and then 9 with the Raiders. Those are teams that are both capable of making good/decent players look bad.

Also, don't discount how virtually every broadcast team talks about how much the "other players love McCown".

I would guess that 75% of the locker room would be happy to see Jay go. It's obvious hearing Alex Brown talk that many on the defense didn't like Jay.

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Pure speculation on your part. Alex Brown played with 6 people (Jay included) who are currently on the roster, and one of them is a kicker and the other a long snapper.

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No, I thought it was a jean company.

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PFF ranks of the defenses McCown has played significant snaps against: 30, 26, 22, 3, 24, 29.
Cutler: 11, 24, 21, 9, 10, 16, 9


3 was Baltimore for Josh.

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I thought he played well against the Ravens, especially given the conditions. He certainly outplayed Flacco

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I agree. Just found that info and adding it to the discussion. Josh has played against, on average, weaker competition. All part of the calculations here.

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PFF is sketchy. They shouldn't be trusted. Their stats leads a GM into thinking Shea McClellin is a good player.

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Yes, but in beating the team with the 3rd best defense, McCown put up a 92.9, which is better than Cutler's 88.4 against lesser-ranked defenses. Which doesn't prove that much, granted, but shows McCown can beat a good defense.

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Cutler also had an advantage in that he was set up on shorter fields by the defense when they could actually stop an offense and create turnovers before all the injuries.

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