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Marshall was targeted 13 times today. Jeffery targeted 5.




And one target for each of them with Clevelands entire defense covering them..

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Hasn't Cutler targeted Jeffrey only a handful less times this season than Marshall?
It doesn't seem like it.

Alshon seems like the #3 option for Cutler behind Bennett and Marshall.


FF is right. I dont have it in front of me now, but Cutler has targeted Marshall about 10-15 times more over his starts. Maybe less too, I forgot the exact number.
Even if that were true I think that stat would be misleading. Marshall is clearly the option Cutler wants to go to as much as possible.


I agree. The targets need to be spread out some more between the WRs and TE.

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Cutler with a 102.2 QBR.

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I was told by a dumbass or two that this was the 7th-best Defense in the league .... maybe not the bottom third or so like I saw over on Football Outsiders, but I sure as hell don't think the Bears overcame anything but themselves to win this game.


Don, I pointed out to you that the NFL stats, as listed on ESPN, rank Cleveland as the 7th rated defense.

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Marshall was targeted 13 times today. Jeffery targeted 5.




And one target for each of them with Clevelands entire defense covering them..


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Marshall was targeted 13 times today. Jeffery targeted 5.




And one target for each of them with Clevelands entire defense covering them..


Vet this punk!


What would be a good list of questions?

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What would be a good list of questions?




Will this process involve waterboarding?

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I missed the second half. They obviously scored some points. Did Cutler look better?

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I missed the second half. They obviously scored some points. Did Cutler look better?




A bit. Cleveland couldn't get out of their own way tho to be fair

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I missed the second half. They obviously scored some points. Did Cutler look better?


A little; he was the beneficiary of a ridiculous Jeffery catch and a short field that led to a EBennett TD.

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Marshall was targeted 13 times today. Jeffery targeted 5.

Wow. Marshall sure is glad Jay is back.

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jesus christ you losers aka #McClowns deserve to have middling quarterbacks for your entire life..... yeah, i know that jay has overconfidence in throwing stupid balls (that !!!! TD to alshon was a stupid ball, for example) but you know what else jay can do? he can adapt to a collapsing/collapsed pocket and make big throws on the run.... on third down. in the first few series alone he converted 3 third downs doing that, and i tell you what i'm sure you lot can dig up some animated gif of mcdown making one throw on the run, or perhaps another where he gets out of the pocket, stops, and throws deep for a TD.... but by and large if you get pressure to mccown he's absolutely fucked and, in case you forgot, he's more prone to fumble the ball when sacked. he did it at a very unclutch time against the vikings, which remember THEY LOST TO, which could come back and bite them in the ass cuz if they win out and go 10-6 they'll get in the playoffs via a wild card.

and then of course the board's #1 cutler hater, boilermaker "ORFENSE FOR LIFE!" rick, has said that poor alshon is so untargeted by jay that he's the third WR after earl bennett. does brick even watch the same games that i do? alshon had 5/72/TD today to marshall's 9/95/TD.... so yeah 13 targets to 6, but i guess the 14 targets to alshon in cutler's last game don't count. or all of those other games where he was getting 5-6 receptions for 50-100yds with a decent # of touchdowns. earl bennett and his 4/23/TD was clearly the #2 WR today as they just use alshon for a decoy.

look, mccown had a good solid run that was augmented by one !!!! game where he ended up with 5 total TDs to make it seem like he was doing some godlike things on the football field, but hey you lot summarily dismissed me when i used fantasy points (an easy way of taking the raw yards/TDs/TOs and giving you one easy to comapre #) to show that cutler nad mccown basically had the exact same raw stats in 6+ starts, yet all of a sudden McCown has been deified to the point where he's now solely responsible for developing alshon jeffery into a #1 wide receiver and rallying the team to play the greatest football it's played all season..... with a 3-3 record that included a convincing loss to the rams and that horrible loss to the vikings.

so yeah, in the end it doesn't matter what cutler does because nobody likes him and therefore they've taken up their traditional role of wanting the backup QB to come in (again hearkening the old headline "does P.T. stand for playing time?") and if he happens to put up the same #s as the incumbent QB with less interceptions and thus a higher rating, nevermind the fact that he was getting blown out by the rams and beaten by the vikings, well then clearly he's the calming influence needed for the bears to go places..... like on a long vacation the first day after week 17 ends.

once again, lemme say it clearly and in large letters cuz 85% of you won't read my posts cuz they have, gasp, paragraphs:

THE ONLY CHANCE THAT THIS BEARS TEAM HAS TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP IS TO GET JAY CUTLER PLAYING AS WELL AS JOSH MCCOWN PLAYED. JAY CUTLER CAN TECHNICALLY DO EVERYTHING JOSH MCCOWN DOES PLUS HE CAN DO THINGS THAT MCCOWN CAN'T DO, SUCH AS ESCAPE PRESSURE AND THROW ON THE RUN. IF YOU GET TO MCCOWN HE'S GOING DOWN AND POSSIBLY FUMBLING

so yeah, seriously, mccown came in and proved that any competent quarterback with that o-line and marshall/alshon/martellus can go out there and put up 250-350yds/2TDs week in week out.... and let me say this real simple and clearly.... josh mccown played just about as well as he could play and with the exception of one game he basically put up the same raw offensive #s as jay cutler, albeit with less interceptions. jay cutler hasn't even scratched the surface of how good he can be in this offense and he was basically able to keep pace with a guy playing the best football of his life. that should tell you something, and that thing is WITH THIS SHITTY DEFENSE YOU NEED TO GET JAY CUTLER PLAYING AS WELL AS JOSH MCCOWN HAD BEEN PLAYING AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS TO HAVE JAY PLAY.

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jesus christ you losers aka #McClowns deserve to have middling quarterbacks for your entire life..... yeah, i know that jay has overconfidence in throwing stupid balls (that !!!! TD to alshon was a stupid ball, for example) but you know what else jay can do? he can adapt to a collapsing/collapsed pocket and make big throws on the run.... on third down. in the first few series alone he converted 3 third downs doing that, and i tell you what i'm sure you lot can dig up some animated gif of mcdown making one throw on the run, or perhaps another where he gets out of the pocket, stops, and throws deep for a TD.... but by and large if you get pressure to mccown he's absolutely fucked and, in case you forgot, he's more prone to fumble the ball when sacked. he did it at a very unclutch time against the vikings, which remember THEY LOST TO, which could come back and bite them in the ass cuz if they win out and go 10-6 they'll get in the playoffs via a wild card.

and then of course the board's #1 cutler hater, boilermaker "ORFENSE FOR LIFE!" rick, has said that poor alshon is so untargeted by jay that he's the third WR after earl bennett. does brick even watch the same games that i do? alshon had 5/72/TD today to marshall's 9/95/TD.... so yeah 13 targets to 6, but i guess the 14 targets to alshon in cutler's last game don't count. or all of those other games where he was getting 5-6 receptions for 50-100yds with a decent # of touchdowns. earl bennett and his 4/23/TD was clearly the #2 WR today as they just use alshon for a decoy.

look, mccown had a good solid run that was augmented by one !!!! game where he ended up with 5 total TDs to make it seem like he was doing some godlike things on the football field, but hey you lot summarily dismissed me when i used fantasy points (an easy way of taking the raw yards/TDs/TOs and giving you one easy to comapre #) to show that cutler nad mccown basically had the exact same raw stats in 6+ starts, yet all of a sudden McCown has been deified to the point where he's now solely responsible for developing alshon jeffery into a #1 wide receiver and rallying the team to play the greatest football it's played all season..... with a 3-3 record that included a convincing loss to the rams and that horrible loss to the vikings.

so yeah, in the end it doesn't matter what cutler does because nobody likes him and therefore they've taken up their traditional role of wanting the backup QB to come in (again hearkening the old headline "does P.T. stand for playing time?") and if he happens to put up the same #s as the incumbent QB with less interceptions and thus a higher rating, nevermind the fact that he was getting blown out by the rams and beaten by the vikings, well then clearly he's the calming influence needed for the bears to go places..... like on a long vacation the first day after week 17 ends.

once again, lemme say it clearly and in large letters cuz 85% of you won't read my posts cuz they have, gasp, paragraphs:

THE ONLY CHANCE THAT THIS BEARS TEAM HAS TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP IS TO GET JAY CUTLER PLAYING AS WELL AS JOSH MCCOWN PLAYED. JAY CUTLER CAN TECHNICALLY DO EVERYTHING JOSH MCCOWN DOES PLUS HE CAN DO THINGS THAT MCCOWN CAN'T DO, SUCH AS ESCAPE PRESSURE AND THROW ON THE RUN. IF YOU GET TO MCCOWN HE'S GOING DOWN AND POSSIBLY FUMBLING

so yeah, seriously, mccown came in and proved that any competent quarterback with that o-line and marshall/alshon/martellus can go out there and put up 250-350yds/2TDs week in week out.... and let me say this real simple and clearly.... josh mccown played just about as well as he could play and with the exception of one game he basically put up the same raw offensive #s as jay cutler, albeit with less interceptions. jay cutler hasn't even scratched the surface of how good he can be in this offense and he was basically able to keep pace with a guy playing the best football of his life. that should tell you something, and that thing is WITH THIS SHITTY DEFENSE YOU NEED TO GET JAY CUTLER PLAYING AS WELL AS JOSH MCCOWN HAD BEEN PLAYING AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS TO HAVE JAY PLAY.

thank you and drive through.




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Sini, Cutler can not do everything McCown can. McCown an make sound decisions. Cutler lacks that. The Alshon TD was a horrible decision.


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and then of course the board's #1 cutler hater, boilermaker "ORFENSE FOR LIFE!" rick, has said that poor alshon is so untargeted by jay that he's the third WR after earl bennett. does brick even watch the same games that i do? alshon had 5/72/TD today to marshall's 9/95/TD.... so yeah 13 targets to 6, but i guess the 14 targets to alshon in cutler's last game don't count. or all of those other games where he was getting 5-6 receptions for 50-100yds with a decent # of touchdowns. earl bennett and his 4/23/TD was clearly the #2 WR today as they just use alshon for a decoy.
Try again. Are you aware there are two Bennetts on the team?

Anyways, thanks for the laugh. Your thought that "WE NEED JAY CUTLER TO JUST PLAY AS GOOD AS JOSH MCCOWN AND THEN CHAMPIONSHIP" is a hilariously awful point.

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Sini, Cutler can not do everything McCown can. McCown an make sound decisions. Cutler lacks that. The Alshon TD was a horrible decision.





Amazing catch tho. Cutler better break Alshon off a piece of his signing bonus next year if this keeps up.

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jesus christ you losers aka #McClowns deserve to have middling quarterbacks for your entire life..... yeah, i know that jay has overconfidence in throwing stupid balls (that !!!! TD to alshon was a stupid ball, for example) but you know what else jay can do? he can adapt to a collapsing/collapsed pocket and make big throws on the run.... on third down. in the first few series alone he converted 3 third downs doing that, and i tell you what i'm sure you lot can dig up some animated gif of mcdown making one throw on the run, or perhaps another where he gets out of the pocket, stops, and throws deep for a TD.... but by and large if you get pressure to mccown he's absolutely fucked and, in case you forgot, he's more prone to fumble the ball when sacked. he did it at a very unclutch time against the vikings, which remember THEY LOST TO, which could come back and bite them in the ass cuz if they win out and go 10-6 they'll get in the playoffs via a wild card.

and then of course the board's #1 cutler hater, boilermaker "ORFENSE FOR LIFE!" rick, has said that poor alshon is so untargeted by jay that he's the third WR after earl bennett. does brick even watch the same games that i do? alshon had 5/72/TD today to marshall's 9/95/TD.... so yeah 13 targets to 6, but i guess the 14 targets to alshon in cutler's last game don't count. or all of those other games where he was getting 5-6 receptions for 50-100yds with a decent # of touchdowns. earl bennett and his 4/23/TD was clearly the #2 WR today as they just use alshon for a decoy.

look, mccown had a good solid run that was augmented by one !!!! game where he ended up with 5 total TDs to make it seem like he was doing some godlike things on the football field, but hey you lot summarily dismissed me when i used fantasy points (an easy way of taking the raw yards/TDs/TOs and giving you one easy to comapre #) to show that cutler nad mccown basically had the exact same raw stats in 6+ starts, yet all of a sudden McCown has been deified to the point where he's now solely responsible for developing alshon jeffery into a #1 wide receiver and rallying the team to play the greatest football it's played all season..... with a 3-3 record that included a convincing loss to the rams and that horrible loss to the vikings.

so yeah, in the end it doesn't matter what cutler does because nobody likes him and therefore they've taken up their traditional role of wanting the backup QB to come in (again hearkening the old headline "does P.T. stand for playing time?") and if he happens to put up the same #s as the incumbent QB with less interceptions and thus a higher rating, nevermind the fact that he was getting blown out by the rams and beaten by the vikings, well then clearly he's the calming influence needed for the bears to go places..... like on a long vacation the first day after week 17 ends.

once again, lemme say it clearly and in large letters cuz 85% of you won't read my posts cuz they have, gasp, paragraphs:

THE ONLY CHANCE THAT THIS BEARS TEAM HAS TO WIN THE CHAMPIONSHIP IS TO GET JAY CUTLER PLAYING AS WELL AS JOSH MCCOWN PLAYED. JAY CUTLER CAN TECHNICALLY DO EVERYTHING JOSH MCCOWN DOES PLUS HE CAN DO THINGS THAT MCCOWN CAN'T DO, SUCH AS ESCAPE PRESSURE AND THROW ON THE RUN. IF YOU GET TO MCCOWN HE'S GOING DOWN AND POSSIBLY FUMBLING

so yeah, seriously, mccown came in and proved that any competent quarterback with that o-line and marshall/alshon/martellus can go out there and put up 250-350yds/2TDs week in week out.... and let me say this real simple and clearly.... josh mccown played just about as well as he could play and with the exception of one game he basically put up the same raw offensive #s as jay cutler, albeit with less interceptions. jay cutler hasn't even scratched the surface of how good he can be in this offense and he was basically able to keep pace with a guy playing the best football of his life. that should tell you something, and that thing is WITH THIS SHITTY DEFENSE YOU NEED TO GET JAY CUTLER PLAYING AS WELL AS JOSH MCCOWN HAD BEEN PLAYING AND THE ONLY WAY FOR THAT TO HAPPEN IS TO HAVE JAY PLAY.

thank you and drive through.


I only read one paragraph, but this was stupid.

1) McCown escapes as well as Cutler and he keeps his eyes downfield.

2) Cutler has never had a 6-game run with the stats McCown had. He may have had the TD and yardage numbers, but he has never thrown only one pick over a similar period of time.

Do you watch the games or...?

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Try again. Are you aware there are two Bennetts on the team?

Anyways, thanks for the laugh. Your thought that "WE NEED JAY CUTLER TO JUST PLAY AS GOOD AS JOSH MCCOWN AND THEN CHAMPIONSHIP" is a hilariously awful point.





So, is this the only troll you guys got over here (sinicalpyspe I mean)?


D-league at best imo

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Also, no one is deifying McCown. No one is calling him a long-term answer. But he operates THIS offense better than Jay Cutler, given the style and the weapons. And I would venture a guess that there are a lot of quarterbacks who would operate it better than Cutler. Too many mistakes and a total lack of rhythm.

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Also, no one is deifying McCown. No one is calling him a long-term answer. But he operates THIS offense better than Jay Cutler, given the style and the weapons. And I would venture a guess that there are a lot of quarterbacks who would operate it better than Cutler. Too many mistakes and a total lack of rhythm.





Does that make Cutler the whitest QB in the NFL then?

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Try again. Are you aware there are two Bennetts on the team?

Anyways, thanks for the laugh. Your thought that "WE NEED JAY CUTLER TO JUST PLAY AS GOOD AS JOSH MCCOWN AND THEN CHAMPIONSHIP" is a hilariously awful point.





So, is this the only troll you guys got over here (sinicalpyspe I mean)?


D-league at best imo

I think you know pretty much everything we have here. You didn't just "drop in" yesterday.

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Also, no one is deifying McCown. No one is calling him a long-term answer. But he operates THIS offense better than Jay Cutler, given the style and the weapons. And I would venture a guess that there are a lot of quarterbacks who would operate it better than Cutler. Too many mistakes and a total lack of rhythm.





Does that make Cutler the whitest QB in the NFL then?


I don't know. I'm not keeping score when it comes to rhythm.

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I think you know pretty much everything we have here. You didn't just "drop in" yesterday.




Nah, I'm new here. I'm not going to go out of my way to convince anyone of that, but thats the truth.

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I don't know. I'm not keeping score when it comes to rhythm.





There needs to be a NFL.com stat metric on this imo

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I think you know pretty much everything we have here. You didn't just "drop in" yesterday.




Nah, I'm new here. I'm not going to go out of my way to convince anyone of that, but thats the truth.

Fair enough. Welcome aboard and fuck off.

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I think you know pretty much everything we have here. You didn't just "drop in" yesterday.




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Fair enough. Welcome aboard and fuck off.





Thanks. And fuck off and have a bad day yourself.

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FUCK YOU LIAR





Any way you could do me a solid and add some exclamation points to this post?



Thanks in advance.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 14/16
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NME wrote:
Mr. Reason wrote:

Fair enough. Welcome aboard and fuck off.





Thanks. And fuck off and have a bad day yourself.

That's kinda shitty of you. I never wished you any ill will. You're not a very nice fellow.

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 Post subject: Re: Bears Game 14/16
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leashyourkids wrote:

I only read one paragraph, but this was stupid.

1) McCown escapes as well as Cutler and he keeps his eyes downfield.

2) Cutler has never had a 6-game run with the stats McCown had. He may have had the TD and yardage numbers, but he has never thrown only one pick over a similar period of time.

Do you watch the games or...?


man, fuck you dipshit.... let's see your tactics.

0) go ad hominem, declaring my post "stupid" before anything else because you know most people here love to gang up on me and slagme off, so you know by doing that you'll garner good will which will automatically give you #s. when you're wrong about something the best way to try and combat that is to attack the poster/post-style and devalidate everything he said before you even address it.

1) no he doesn't man.... how often does he escape a collapsing pocket to run for his life and then turn that into a big throw downfield? he can't do it. he doesn't have the pocket awareness that jay has, nor does he have the wheels that jay has... nor does he have the arm that jay has.... he's an inferior physical specimen who needs conditions to be right (pocket holds up / receiver is wide open) to put up these numbers.

2) jay cutler has NEVER had a 6 game run like mccown had? and what was that 6 game run? the 1809yds 13TD 1INT to cutler's 1908yds 13TD/8INT (and that's off the top of my head) --- so interceptions = everything? something like 50-60% of jay's interceptions end up becoming a long punt, so they're not everything. in the end yards and touchdowns and points scored and.... oh what's that other old stat that needs to die called? oh yeah... WINS... those don't count for anything?

mccown played well, which means that mccown played fucking great considering that he's josh mccown. MUH 6 GAME RUN wasn't anything special ****BECAUSE HE WENT 3 AND 3***** i swear to god if mccown had a 6 game winning streak i'd take heed of your arguments..... but when you start saying because he only had 1 INT in 6 games therefore he's superior to cutler and therefore he should be the bears starting QB, even tho he was a .500 quarterback who lost to the vikings and rams?

and to think people who argue ^^^^that^^^^ automatically disregard my entire post because i use fantasy stat #s... but then when they wanna make their secondary point (cuz the first is that i'm a raving lunatic whose posts they don't read cuz i'm stupid) they're quick to quote stats and essentially fantasy/madden football stuff cuz last i checked all that matters are wins and losses.... and jay has been a winning quarterback with the bears leading them to the playoffs more often than not, but because people don't like him all of a sudden winning and losing wasn't important cuz we just witnessed the greatest 6 game run of quarterbacking in bears history all because mccown only threw 1 INT?

how about the ~2-3 INT he should have thrown last week against dallas, do those count?

obviously not. i'm going to stop arguing this cuz i'm just gonna get pissed off and thusly slagged off cuz you lot are stupid Caller Bobs who wouldn't know a real quarterback if you were dan marino's limo driver. the real point here is that you guys don't like jay cutler cuz he's an egotistical douchebag asshole with a punch-me face and therefore you want him out of town ASAP because he broke your little fucking hearts when he came to town and didn't singlehandedly lead you to multiple super bowl victories cuz that's what franchise quarterbacks do, right? well since he hasn't done it and he throws picks cuz he takes chances, clearly we have to get rid of him for a completely pedestrian quarterback who is thriving because he's got a good offensive coach calling sporadically brilliant plays with a great pass-blocking o-line to two #1 WRs.

whatever. fuck off you #McClowns.

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