agreed. If Mac just "whips" Grossman for a reaction, I find that annoying radio and if he actually looked at sunday's game and finds Grossman's play as the thing that jumped out at him then I've lost a lot of respect for Mac's football knowledge. Grossman had four potential drives stopped by two fumbles by his running backs, a lazy wide receiver, and a botched punt return. The o line and running backs get the blame for the loss.

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May 1, 2007 - CSFMB Civil War
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Nas,
Will you let us know when people are allowed to think that Rex should be benched? I'm not there yet but there is a good chance that I will feel that way at some point this season. Mac doesn't think that Rex is our best chance to win and Rex really didn't do anything to change that opinion on Sunday. He didn't do anything that you can really point to and say that he should be benched but why would you expect someone who clearly believes that Rex should not be our quarterback to look at how he played at that game and say that he shouldn't be.

The San Diego game didn't change my opinion of Rex. I believe that we still don't know if he can handle the starting job or not and he has at least a couple weeks to prove it. It obviously didn't change your opinion. Why should you expect it to change Mac's opinion?

Rex is going to have detractors until he shows that he can consistently be a good quarterback.

At what time can someone start to believe that Rex Grossman should be benched? If the time comes where he is, were the people clamoring for it earlier still wrong?

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Farve the last time I checked the Chargers have a top 3-5 defense. The interception was not Grossman's fault as much as Berrrians. LT even said he told his team we are not going to run up & down the field on another championship level team. The fumbles by the RBs & Mcgowan lost the game. Being objective gives more credibility.

I hope he is as critical of Philip Rivers who 1. played worse than Rex on sunday and 2. went one and out in the playoffs last year.

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May 1, 2007 - CSFMB Civil War
“Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it.”

Throw Drew Brees into the "should we bench him" discussion as well.
What did he do on Thursday?
0 TD's, 2 Picks against what's supposed to be a Pussy Colts Defense.

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This brings up a pet peeve of mine, the reliance of passer rating in grading QB's. Rivers rating of 73 was twenty points better than Grossman yet in my opinion Rivers was as effective (or ineffective) as Grossman, Rivers is better at throwing the 3 yard pass. Big whoop.

Another how example in the flaw in the rating. First and ten, QB#1 goes 3-3 but passes for nine yards. Team has to punt. A QB#2 goes 1-3 for 10 yards, makes a first down. QB#1 has a rating of 79, QB#2 has a rating of 43. Makes sense

not saying the QB rating is compleely useless, Grossman's 0 rating against the Packers last year was justified. But it seems like too many pundits look at it as gospel.

rivers should have had a better rating from the simple fact that his team didnt put the ball on the turf 3 times

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huh?

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May 1, 2007 - CSFMB Civil War
“Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it.”

what do you mean 'huh'? the bears turned it over 4 times, so rex had 4 less chances to make a play. dont get me wrong, rex certainly didnt step up and put the team on his shoulders and lead them to a win, but as ive said before, he is way down on the list of reasons for why they lost on sunday

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Frank,

I took your comment wrong. I agree. I thought you were blaming rex for the others' turnovers.

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May 1, 2007 - CSFMB Civil War
“Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it.”

Mac has made references to Rex's upbringing in the past as one reason why he doesn't think he will succeed as an NFL QB.

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It also factors in yards per attempt. Rex's yards per attempt was only around 6 for the game.

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Id have to put that more on Ron Turner though.

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I read them all. Mac doesn't have to be objective on Rex Grossman. He's not doing play by play. He is paid to have an opinion. He has an opinion that Rex isn't the future. Rex did NOTHING to change that opinion on Sunday. My opinion going into the game was that Rex needs to show that he can be a consistent QB. My opinion on that did not change. It was at best an average performance. If I had already given up on Rex then I would still have that opinion that Rex needs to be benched. There is nothing illogical about people who have already given up on Grossman. I don't happen to be one of them but I'm not going to bash someone for doing it just like I won't bash you for predicting that Rex Grossman will have a pro bowl season.

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I agree completely. I do think he has mental blocks when it comes to handling 4th quarter pressure, but anyone who says he isnt a physically tough player isnt watching the games. Mac really needs to stop bringing the upbringing into every discussion about people. Its not how much money your parents made that made you as a person, its how many lessons they taught you and they're actions in front of you. People shouldnt apologize for having a good upbringing.

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He's the Aaron Rowand of quarterbacks.

Maybe it's a case of transference. What he says about Grossman is really what he thinks about Harry. Or he's trying to get under Harry's skin.

.....or he feels the need to offset Harry's homerism

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May 1, 2007 - CSFMB Civil War
“Those who don’t remember history are doomed to repeat it.”

Mac hasn't replied yet......hmm.........

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Not sure I understand...but why does Mac have to be objective about Grossman? It's sports radio, not hard news.

Yeah I missed my year post about 3 posts back. Well 4 after this one.

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Lots of selective memory going on here.... lots of laughs, too.
Hey Nas.... do your heroes B&B think Grossman played well Sunday? Did you? And what was it about Huard's 108.9 rating against the Chargers you didn't like?
Rex Grossman sucks. Warm up to it.

OH MY!!!

B/B's position was that Grossman wasn't at fault for the loss, but I'm sure you knew that already.

Damon Huard is a career backup QB who played well in a stretch last seson for the Chiefs. You can have him.

No, Rex Grossman doesn't suck. He has horrible games, but for every one of those, we can talk about a great game. Funny how you don't want to focus only on the negatives ? I'm not saying he's even the future of the team - this year will determine that as he must become more consistent, less peaks and valley's, but you sound like Mariotti with your focus on what he doesn't do over what he has done.

Mac's right, Rex sucks. He should be a backup, just like Huard should be.

I have to say this was a very enjoyable thread to read. Real intense at times. Huard over Grossman, please. Huard might be losing his job to THE Broydie Croyle (sp). Taking everything into account, Rex right now is an average starting NFL quarterback. He will have his great games and his lousy games; therefore, balancing it out. I still believe Rex could be the quarterback to take the Bears to the super bowl.

And another note, Harry is a complete ass for his Mike Brown comments yesterday. Spaulding hit it right on the nose when she asked if Harry would cry if someone poured a bottle of tequila on the floor right in front of him. But I guess you can expect a comment like that from some one like him who couldn't even plays sports at a competitive level when he was a youth. A guy spends his whole life playing football and after getting injured once again, faces the real possibility of his career being over. How the hell do you expect him to react? I guess he thinks the losing team in the LLWS were a bunch of pussies because they cried.

Harry had a change of heart. I guess that happens when 1,000,000 people disagree with you and nobody agrees with you.

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I think Harry is a stand up guy for admitting being wrong, something we don't hear on the radio much these days.

Unless you heard how he said it. He waffled the whole time, never said he was sorry, then a bit later changed his mind again and took the non-apology back. Douche.

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