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PostPosted: Fri Jun 27, 2014 1:25 pm 
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Steve Stone was FAR WRONG

But because nobody made this EXACT prediction on Rizzo, Steve Stone wasnt really that wrong?

Even though the PECOTA Prediction on Rizzo was the single biggest improvement of any player in MLB. I think that is a really good prediction so far.

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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Rizzo has surpassed Abreu in OPS as of today.


no more exciting play in baseball than a power hitter walking with a man on base

Yup, those foolish walks.

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Even though the PECOTA Prediction on Rizzo was the single biggest improvement of any player in MLB. I think that is a really good prediction so far.
PECOTA predicted improvement but they did not predict this type of improvement. That is the point. That is the only point. Don't make it into more than it is.

The reason Steve Stone is wrong is because Rizzo has made a nearly unpredictable jump. It's getting to the point where there is only one position player in all of baseball that is FAR SUPERIOR to Rizzo. Even PECOTA missed that.

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Rizzo was the player they predicted for the single biggest improvement. While the numbers he might attain may exceed the exact numbers they predicted, the simple fact they said he would be the most improved player statswise, is one of the most impressive predictions.

Much better than Steve Stone has ever made.

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Rizzo was the player they predicted for the single biggest improvement. While the numbers he might attain may exceed the exact numbers they predicted, the simple fact they said he would be the most improved player statswise, is one of the most impressive predictions.
This is true.

It's clear you don't have a desire to understand my point though.

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Rizzo was the player they predicted for the single biggest improvement. While the numbers he might attain may exceed the exact numbers they predicted, the simple fact they said he would be the most improved player statswise, is one of the most impressive predictions.
This is true.

It's clear you don't have a desire to understand my point though.

I understand your point, however, what you dont realize is how low Pecota almost always places projections on guys. After looking at it for years, I would guess they project about 10% of the players to have better years than the previous and the overall projections are always low.

Your point is that Rizzo exceeded all expectations, thus Stone was wrong, but so were others or as you say "NOBODY" or "VERY FEW" made this call.

I will at least say that I didnt think one would be FAR SUPERIOR than the other. Thus the thread.

I based my thoughts on PECOTA and watching Rizzo AB's during the spring.

Stone saw the guy take one AB and projected his entire career.

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Stone saw the guy take one AB and projected his entire career.
If we take Rizzo out of it completely though, Stone was pretty spot on in regards to Abreu.

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How long could bigfan go without posting any of the following words?

Stone, Reinsdorf, Obama

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MERCY!

MERCY!

Hot damn this is a fun little comparison.

Both may finish at 1.000 when the book is closed on the season.

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Remember a couple months ago when Terry Boers thought Abreu wouldn't hit 30 homeruns? How could anyone who knows anything about baseball have such a dumb opinion? He might hit 30 before the All-Star Break.

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BOOM. I sure wish people would pay attention to #79 as much as Cubbie guys in minors.

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Dumbass Terry Boers!

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Dumbass Terry Boers!



He won't recall saying that. He will say he thought he would be "terrific".

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Dumbass Terry Boers!



He won't recall saying that. He will say he thought he would be "terrific".



Post subject: Re: Boers and Bernstein Bold Prediction Thread Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2014 12:02 pm

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There is no way that Abreu will hit 30 homeruns



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Just awesome what Abreu's doing.

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didn't think gillaspie could hit it that far

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Dumbass Terry Boers!



He won't recall saying that. He will say he thought he would be "terrific".



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There is no way that Abreu will hit 30 homeruns



Boy did he fuck that prediction up :lol: :lol:


Terry's baseball predictions are usually ridiculous. Like when he thought Prior would win 28 games in 2004. That was before li'l danny realized "wins are meaningless and out of a pitcher's control" or dan was so excited about the "team with no weaknesses" that he didn't even argue with Terry about it.

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 Post subject: Re: Abreu Meter 2014
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If he's near .300 by the Allstar break, keep him.

Tonight 2-3, 2 HR. Season .308/.391/.744 4 HR, 13 RBI


Hey Jorr.... 26 to go and we win.

You win nothing. Just remember this the next time you want to rip a Cub fan for being optimisitic.

You both agreed a guy with 0 homeruns in MLB would accidentally hit 30



Abreu is awesome though


Sox fans should be upset with Joe's pessimism

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Joe Orr Road Rod wrote:
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Dumbass Terry Boers!



He won't recall saying that. He will say he thought he would be "terrific".



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Boy did he fuck that prediction up :lol: :lol:


Terry's baseball predictions are usually ridiculous. Like when he thought Prior would win 28 games in 2004. That was before li'l danny realized "wins are meaningless and out of a pitcher's control" or dan was so excited about the "team with no weaknesses" that he didn't even argue with Terry about it.

Latest prediction: Cubs win World Series in 2017. It's a mortal lock.


His basketball predictions are almost always wrong, too, especially when it comes to projecting how college players will fare in the NBA. The fact that he likes McDermott should strike fear into your heart.

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IMU & Kirkwood look very silly in this thread.

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No, its fact. You look silly all across this thread;

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Yeah...and considering Abreu's recent trend...he may prefer that the season ends before he reaches an .OPS below .650

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I saw .235-.265 hitter with some kind of loop in his swing that would be exploited, 20-25 HR power and a butcher at 1B.

All still very possible.

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It is very possible Abreu could hit ~.250, 25 HR, and have too many errors at 1B.
He surpassed .250 and 25 in June. He has 3 errors and a .995 fielding%
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I would say it is extremely likely his BA falls in between the projected .235-.265 or whatever, and that he is a butcher at 1B.

If I were to bet on his home run total, I'd bet near 30 or just above.

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He has hit cleanup at times this year. He obviously has been doing just fine where ever he bats in then lineup. I'd keep hitting him 3rd. I would guess that his OBP would improve as he continues to learn MLB pitching, and gets pitched around in certain situations.

Or it will go down as MLB pitching learns him.

Adjustments go both ways. Finding out who gets the best of those will take more than 2 months of a debut season.


So basically, you were taking every remote chance you could to knock Abreu, who has put up nothing short of MVP type number almost since opening day. Just like dolphin has done with Rizzo.

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The fact that he likes McDermott should strike fear into your heart.


It would except I don't believe he really likes McDermott. I think it's a set up for white basketball jokes.

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.265 and 25HR is hardly a knock. Those are good numbers for a rookie.

Also... time stamp those posts.

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The fact that he likes McDermott should strike fear into your heart.


It would except I don't believe he really likes McDermott. I think it's a set up for white basketball jokes.


Terry has a history of making optimistic projections about how white college basketball players will perform in the NBA. He hasn't been right yet.

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No, its fact. You look silly all across this thread;

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Yeah...and considering Abreu's recent trend...he may prefer that the season ends before he reaches an .OPS below .650

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I saw .235-.265 hitter with some kind of loop in his swing that would be exploited, 20-25 HR power and a butcher at 1B.

All still very possible.

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It is very possible Abreu could hit ~.250, 25 HR, and have too many errors at 1B.
He surpassed .250 and 25 in June. He has 3 errors and a .995 fielding%
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I would say it is extremely likely his BA falls in between the projected .235-.265 or whatever, and that he is a butcher at 1B.

If I were to bet on his home run total, I'd bet near 30 or just above.

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He has hit cleanup at times this year. He obviously has been doing just fine where ever he bats in then lineup. I'd keep hitting him 3rd. I would guess that his OBP would improve as he continues to learn MLB pitching, and gets pitched around in certain situations.

Or it will go down as MLB pitching learns him.

Adjustments go both ways. Finding out who gets the best of those will take more than 2 months of a debut season.



So basically, you were taking every remote chance you could to knock Abreu, who has put up nothing short of MVP type number almost since opening day. Just like dolphin has done with Rizzo.


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