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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Lovie could have done that

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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7-1 at home (home loss to Saints)
3-5 on road (road wins @falcons, vikings, and jets)


not losing to the Saints at home in December. This is not the Lovie's Bears. They can match the Saints score for score. I have that one in ink as a W.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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7-1 at home (home loss to Saints)
3-5 on road (road wins @falcons, vikings, and jets)


not losing to the Saints at home in December. This is not the Lovie's Bears. They can match the Saints score for score. I have that one in ink as a W.

Counting on a scandal or some crazy ass thing to ruin the Lions


I have my doubts that Jim Caldwell will succeed as a head coach, but we shall see.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Tall Midget wrote:
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good dolphin wrote:
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7-1 at home (home loss to Saints)
3-5 on road (road wins @falcons, vikings, and jets)


not losing to the Saints at home in December. This is not the Lovie's Bears. They can match the Saints score for score. I have that one in ink as a W.

Counting on a scandal or some crazy ass thing to ruin the Lions


I have my doubts that Jim Caldwell will succeed as a head coach, but we shall see.

Another to the other extreme coaching change. That happens at a pretty entertaining rate.

Although Lovie to Trestman doesnt qualify


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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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good dolphin wrote:
pessimistic: 8-8
optimistic: 11-5
realistic: 9-7

Lovie could have done that


Bump all those totals by 2 wins and I'm with ya.

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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.

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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.


They just dont see yet with clear vision. They need more time.... Poor fools.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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rogers park bryan wrote:
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7-1 at home (home loss to Saints)
3-5 on road (road wins @falcons, vikings, and jets)


not losing to the Saints at home in December. This is not the Lovie's Bears. They can match the Saints score for score. I have that one in ink as a W.

Counting on a scandal or some crazy ass thing to ruin the Lions


The Lions head coach is Jim Caldwell. You wont need a scandal.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.


You expect the Bears to be dominant on defense?

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.


You expect the Bears to be dominant on defense?


I expect a top 10 defense. Now we have a punter that is kicking the ball 70+ yards

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Nas wrote:
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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.


You expect the Bears to be dominant on defense?


I expect a top 10 defense. Now we have a punter that is kicking the ball 70+ yards


Whoa, whoa, whoa, chief. The Bears will be lucky to have a top-20 defense. Even with the various free-agent signings, the Bears have significant questions at defensive tackle (both starters), end (Jared Allen), linebacker (D.J. Williams' durability, the clusterfuck on the strong side), and safety (still apparently god awful).

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.


You expect the Bears to be dominant on defense?


I expect a top 10 defense. Now we have a punter that is kicking the ball 70+ yards


Whoa, whoa, whoa, chief. The Bears will be lucky to have a top-20 defense. Even with the various free-agent signings, the Bears have significant questions at defensive tackle (both starters), end (Jared Allen), linebacker (D.J. Williams' durability, the clusterfuck on the strong side), and safety (still apparently god awful).


+1

You're way out over your skis here, Nas.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Also: The Bears will most assuredly NOT field a top-3 offense this year.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Also: The Bears will most assuredly NOT field a top-3 offense this year.


Why not?

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.


You expect the Bears to be dominant on defense?


I expect a top 10 defense. Now we have a punter that is kicking the ball 70+ yards


Whoa, whoa, whoa, chief. The Bears will be lucky to have a top-20 defense. Even with the various free-agent signings, the Bears have significant questions at defensive tackle (both starters), end (Jared Allen), linebacker (D.J. Williams' durability, the clusterfuck on the strong side), and safety (still apparently god awful).


I'd say the bigger question is the competency of Mel Tucker.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Also: The Bears will most assuredly NOT field a top-3 offense this year.



They were #2 last season no?

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The Bears had a top 15 defense before Briggs got injured.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Also: The Bears will most assuredly NOT field a top-3 offense this year.


See, this I'm not sure about. Offense (especiallt passing offense) tends to be more consistent year-to-year than defense. I think a top-3 finish is unlikely, because I think Cutler sucks, but I don't disagree with the Nas's reasoning. A top-8 or even top-5 finish for the offense wouldn't surprise me.

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There is also a good chance that Trestman is exposed this year. He made plenty of strange decisions last year.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Offense (especiallt passing offense) tends to be more consistent year-to-year than defense.


Incidentally, this is the same reason I think the defense will rebound a bit, especially with the pieces they added. But I can't see any path to the 2014 Bears finishing with a top-10 defense.

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Offense (especiallt passing offense) tends to be more consistent year-to-year than defense.


Incidentally, this is the same reason I think the defense will rebound a bit, especially with the pieces they added. But I can't see any path to the 2014 Bears finishing with a top-10 defense.


Yes but are you accounting for substandard coaching personnel on that side of the ball?

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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10-6, win division, lose NFC Title game @SF. I'd be terribly sad, but ok with that actually.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Also: The Bears will most assuredly NOT field a top-3 offense this year.



They were #2 last season no?


Yes, in points scored.

They were #8 in yardage.

Here's why I say they will not be top-3 in either category this year.

First, McCown outperformed Cutler last year, but he is gone. McCown's replacements look to be a significant step down based on early training camp reports. So when Cutler inevitably misses a few games with his annual injury, the offense will suffer, not improve.

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I'd say the bigger question is the competency of Mel Tucker.


I'd agree. And that's saying a lot, especially given the personnel questions the Bears have at almost every defensive position.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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Offense (especiallt passing offense) tends to be more consistent year-to-year than defense.


Incidentally, this is the same reason I think the defense will rebound a bit, especially with the pieces they added. But I can't see any path to the 2014 Bears finishing with a top-10 defense.


Yes but are you accounting for substandard coaching personnel on that side of the ball?


I think Tucker's a dolt who puts a hard ceiling on how good the defense can be, but the personnel was so bad last year. I have to think they'll get a small bump just from adding some professional-caliber players.

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 Post subject: Re: This is the year
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The Bears offense will be even better the 2nd year into Trestman's system. I expect Wilson to make the Bears passing game virtually unstoppable. I see a top 3 offense. The Bears defense was bad last year but it was primarily because they couldn't stop the rush. They have done just about everything that they could to address that. This will be a fun team to watch. I expect them to be dominant on both sides of the ball.

One of the dumbest things I've read on the board in a long time. C'mon man.

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Allen: 32
Young: 28 - 29 in Sept
Ratliff: 32 - 33 in Aug
Briggs: 33 - 34 in Nov
Williams 32
Tillman - 33
Jennings - 30
Mundy - 29
Hayden - 31

That's a ton of old blood being depended upon. Quite a few coming off wasted seasons due to injury as well.

There a slight non-zero chance this will be a top-10 defense.


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CB is the only position that doesn't suck on paper, and that falls apart if Tillman gets hurt and/or Fuller struggles. There's simply no reason at all to think the Bears defense will be average this year. Predicting it being dominant is just asking people not to take your thoughts seriously.


And yes, GB will have an awful defense too.

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There's simply no reason at all to think the Bears defense will be average this year.
The fuck??

DJ Williams/Briggs means an improved linebacking core
Fuller/Hayden means an improved secondary
Mundy simply cannot be worse at safeties than the clowns who were there last year
Allen, a healthy and in shape Ratliff, and Houston should improve the Dline.

So please explain FF why there "is simply no reason" to think the Bears should be better on D than they were last year?

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There's simply no reason at all to think the Bears defense will be average this year.
The fuck??

DJ Williams/Briggs means an improved linebacking core
Fuller means an improved secondary
Mundy & Hayden simply cannot be worse at safeties than the clowns who were there last year
Allen, a healthy and in shape Ratliff, and Houston should improve the Dline.

So please explain FF why there "is simply no reason" to think the Bears should be better on D than they were last year?

They're old and have injury histories. Football is a young man's game.


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