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I have been told by a "fan" that celebrates Bears losses that McCown is a better QB. Multiple times. No seriously.


Well, he definitely ran Trestman's offense better.

For a 1/2 season you could say that, but that's a different statement.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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I actually never said McCown was a better quarterback so once again you're just reaching there. I've said that Josh ran the offense better than Jay. He put up better numbers than Jay. He didn't turn the ball over like Jay did at about a $13 million dollar difference as well. But hey McCown almost had a turnover in the St Louis game. Almost.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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But hey McCown almost had a turnover in the St Louis game. Almost.
Hey, McCown almost had a winning record as the Bears QB. Almost.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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But hey McCown almost had a turnover in the St Louis game. Almost.
Hey, McCown almost had a winning record as the Bears QB. Almost.
Josh McCown was 3-2 last year and 4-3 for his career with the Bears.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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M&H pointed out this morning that Cutler's stats thru 5 games this year are actually better than his stats thru 5 games last year.

More passing TD, rating was like 6 points higher, same amount of INT and sacks.
Mike & Mike (who are presumably less biased than local fans & media) stated there were 15 QB's currently in the NFL they would - without even thinking about it - take before the "near-elite" Cutler.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Jay is 13th in traditional QB rating


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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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I have been told by a "fan" that celebrates Bears losses that McCown is a better QB. Multiple times. No seriously.


Well, he definitely ran Trestman's offense better.

That's the biggest indictment of Cutler. A career not very good journeyman who doesn't have Jays big arm and skill set outplayed him running the same offense with the same players.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.
And the Bears will be 7-9. Still satisfied?

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.
And the Bears will be 7-9. Still satisfied?


Well, they likely wouldn't be 7-9 because the QB threw for 4200 yards and 38 TDs.

So, I'm sure I would be unsatisfied with the performance of the special teams, run game, and defensive pressure and safety play as I am now.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.


That's assuming he doesn't miss any games.
Just saying. Because he kind of has a history of not playing a full season.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.


That's assuming he doesn't miss any games.
Just saying. Because he kind of has a history of not playing a full season.


He's started 104 of 117 games since 2007.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.
And the Bears will be 7-9. Still satisfied?


Well, they likely wouldn't be 7-9 because the QB threw for 4200 yards and 38 TDs.

So, I'm sure I would be unsatisfied with the performance of the special teams, run game, and defensive pressure and safety play as I am now.
So if he finishes the season leading the league in interceptions (as he does now), that wouldn't play a role in their record? or your satisfaction level?

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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You guys win.

I can't do it anymore.

I'm done talking about Jay Cutler. He's horrible. From this day forward I am going to super-focus on his impact on every loss.

You've created a monster here today.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
If he ends the season with his pace of 4200 yards and 38 TDs, you can call him elite or not elite, whatever, I'd be satisfied with his performance.

And, yes, he'd have 19 INTs. Still satisfied.
And the Bears will be 7-9. Still satisfied?


Well, they likely wouldn't be 7-9 because the QB threw for 4200 yards and 38 TDs.

So, I'm sure I would be unsatisfied with the performance of the special teams, run game, and defensive pressure and safety play as I am now.
So if he finishes the season leading the league in interceptions (as he does now), that wouldn't play a role in their record? or your satisfaction level?

I think for clarity's sake you should mention its a six way tie including Andrew Luck and Drew Brees


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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You guys win.

I can't do it anymore.

I'm done talking about Jay Cutler. He's horrible. From this day forward I am going to super-focus on his impact on every loss.

You've created a monster here today.

They're like zombies. They infect your brain and you become one of them.

I will keep fighting the good fight for you.


The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.
I say we fire all the coaches and Emery at the end of the year. Sound good?

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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.
I say we fire all the coaches and Emery at the end of the year. Sound good?


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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
You guys win.

I can't do it anymore.

I'm done talking about Jay Cutler. He's horrible. From this day forward I am going to super-focus on his impact on every loss.

You've created a monster here today.

Welcome to the right side of history :D


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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.
I say we fire all the coaches and Emery at the end of the year. Sound good?


YES!
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 Post subject: Re: Jay Cutler
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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

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rogers park bryan wrote:
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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

The QB is supposed to be great

He is, he has 13 td passes.

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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

The QB is supposed to be great


Agreed. If you take out the special teams giving up 7 points (they shouldn't have been punting anyway if Cutler did his job), the D held Cam Newton and his weapons to 24.

If Cutler completed that one pass to Bennett on 3rd down, they should have gone up 28-7. Game over.

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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

The QB is supposed to be great

He is, he has 13 td passes.


12. He ran one in. That doesn't count.

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Agreed. If you take out the special teams giving up 7 points (they shouldn't have been punting anyway if Cutler did his job), the D held Cam Newton and his weapons to 24.
The defense has also given Cutler a lot of short fields because of turnovers. I only say this to point out that it all balances out. Cutler likely doesn't have a 4 touchdown game against San Fran without the defense serving up what they did for him.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Hawg Ass wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
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The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

The QB is supposed to be great

He is, he has 13 td passes.


12. He ran one in. That doesn't count.

You can take that up with Nas, I have read it in every damn one of his posts.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

The QB is supposed to be great


Agreed. If you take out the special teams giving up 7 points (they shouldn't have been punting anyway if Cutler did his job), the D held Cam Newton and his weapons to 24.

If Cutler completed that one pass to Bennett on 3rd down, they should have gone up 28-7. Game over.

That's why Cutler will never be great. It's always "if Jay had time to throw " or " if Jay had good receivers to throw to" . Great ones make those throws and complete those passes or don't spit the bit with a stupid pick at the worst times. He shows no signs of ever being able to to do those things over an extended period but MY GOD look at his arm!!!!

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Agreed. If you take out the special teams giving up 7 points (they shouldn't have been punting anyway if Cutler did his job), the D held Cam Newton and his weapons to 24.
The defense has also given Cutler a lot of short fields because of turnovers. I only say this to point out that it all balances out. Cutler likely doesn't have a 4 touchdown game against San Fran without the defense serving up what they did for him.


Agreed.

Cutler has probably gotten the best field position in the NFL.

I'm not going to look it up but I'm sure I'm right. Certainly if you eliminate special teams and penalties.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
spanky wrote:
The defense is a far bigger problem for this team than the QB. It's not even close.

Agreed but expectations were they would be average to bad

The QB is supposed to be great


Agreed. If you take out the special teams giving up 7 points (they shouldn't have been punting anyway if Cutler did his job), the D held Cam Newton and his weapons to 24.

If Cutler completed that one pass to Bennett on 3rd down, they should have gone up 28-7. Game over.

That's why Cutler will never be great. It's always "if Jay had time to throw " or " if Jay had good receivers to throw to" . Great ones make those throws and complete those passes or don't spit the bit with a stupid pick at the worst times. He shows no signs of ever being able to to do those things over an extended period but MY GOD look at his arm!!!!


He's had plenty of time to throw. He's just not getting it done.

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