I completely agree with you. Even right down to the getting sick part, I will actually feel a little nautious. Hes definitively the best player on the planet right now, should be for the next 5-7 years, and could win 3-4 titles in that span with the Bulls and the right compliment of players, of which we have plenty.

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Would make me sick, too. But I think Pax already screwed the pooch on this one...

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We can't give up our whole team to get him. Kobe is not good enough to win a title on his own. He needs a secondary player better than Lamar Odom to win and if we give up Gordon, Hinrich, and Deng then we are basically just trading for the same one man team that the Lakers are now.

I don't think you make the deal if Deng is involved, not because Deng is untouchable, but because you have nothing but a great individual player who can't make his teammates that much better and a bunch of players who are not good enough to stop him from being double teamed.

If the Bulls could keep Hinrich and Deng and get Kobe then I say they go for it otherwise Kobe doesn't give the Bulls any better chance of winning a championship. We can fill in the rest but having a point guard to get the ball to Kobe and a second scoring option must stay on the roster.

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Exactly. I want Kobe on the Boo, but how? I just can't envision any trade whereby the Lakers got acceptably-equal value and the Bulls were a Championship lock.

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Well first of all any deal would have to include Ben Wallace, just so the contracts match up. After that I would say it would have to include Ben Gordon because those two would not coexist well on the court together. So you got Wallace/Gordon then you could possibly throw in Noc and 2 first round picks. I think Mitch Kupchack is dumb enough to consider Wallace/Gordon/Noc and 2 1st rounders for Kobe. That would leave you with Kobe/Joe Smith/Kirk/Deng/Tyrus/Duhon/Noah/Sefalosha. Depending on how good Noah can be right away and how much Tyrus has improved(which I think is alot) that team can win a championship.

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This is the same team that traded Shaq away for basically 30 cents on the dollar. Knowing Kupchack he would jump at 65 cents on the dollar.

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If the Lakers would take Ben Wallace then I take the deal immediately. The Noah pick actually ends up not being that bad since Wallace is gone. They can have Gordon since he is a scorer but really not needed with Kobe(assuming we still have Deng). Noc is a decent player but expendable.

I don't see how Mitch Kupchak trades Kobe for Ben Wallace/Ben Gordon/Noc and keeps his job but I guess Kevin McHale still has his so anything is possible.

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I still think that Hinrich is still needed. I don't know if a Tyrus Thomas or Nocioni third option is a championship quality team. I think Hinrich would be a great third option/ball handler.

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I would think if the Lakers are taking Kobe's contract, the Bulls would have to take back a bad contract of theirs. Kwame? Radmonovich?

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the two number 1's would be big chips also. I think we agree that it would not be equal value for Kobe, but Mitch is a big dumbass. Just look at some of the trades he has made in the past 3 years, its really pathetic(and some of the trades he didnt make..Jermaine Oneal, Kidd). I think he is dumb enough to do this, and the biggest reason for optimism for Bulls fans is Chicago keeps being mentioned as the Number 1 target team. Pax is 10x smarter than Mitch so I trust him to out-think him in this possible deal.

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I dont know about that Nas. He defends their best player almost every single game, and I guess with Kobe he could take that place, but Hinrich is a difference maker in games when it comes to containing the other teams best perimeter players.

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Hes very careful not to make dumb trades, which seperates him from all but a handful of GMs in the NBA, but I dont know of any bad trades he has made.

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Chris Duhon is not close to Hinrich. Hinrich is an above average NBA player and Duhon is a below average NBA player. He is a decent bench player but he probably will lose minutes to Jameson Curry this year.

Hinrich may not be a top 15 point guard, but he is better than any pg the Bulls have or could get. Thabo has potential, but he's not as consistent as Hinrich.

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Wow. I definitely think Hinrich is a top 10 PG. Right around the 7-10 range probably. If hes not a top 15 PG I would like to hear of these other 15 PGs that are better. Also Tablo wasnt nearly as consistent as Kirk but was a rookie, and came into the league alot less polished than Kirk. I think Tablo has a good future ahead of him.

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Come on Nas, thats like when advertisers say "Less than $1,000 and its $999.99". Hinrich is shooting .448 last season, thats pretty damn near .450, and has increased significantly every season hes been in the NBA, so how do you think it wont get better? The evidence strongly disputes that. Also hes good at making open 3s and would be way better with Kobe next to him. He also could take alot of defensive pressure off of Kobe. He would compliment him way better than you are giving him credit for.

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The evidence just doesnt support your claim. He has not made great trades, thats fine, the Spurs havent for the most part either. Alot of their main talent is through the draft, I think they are doing ok. Like I said he avoids bad salarys and bad trades, none of them are bad at best, they all make sense, except you can argue the Wallace signing but lets give him more than a year.

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Trading Curry and getting the two draft picks wasn't bad. Time will tell, but I think Tyrus will be good, and Noah will be a solid rotation guy. Curry is a good scorer, but he's terrible at everything else.

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Good call Scott, forgot about that one, although he was dealing with Isaiah so the degree of difficulty in making a trade in that situation is basically zero.

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Well you dont care how I dress it up, but hes played 4 years, not 14, so your career FG% stat is misleading and I think you realize that.

03-04 .386 12.0 PPG
04-05 .397 15.7 PPG
05-06 .418 15.9 PPG
06-07 .448 16.6 PPG

I dont know too many fans that complain about progress like that from your PG, especially those who preach patience with Rex.

Your last sentence I agree with.

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Again none of these statements is true. I know they are your opinions but they simply arent true. Tyrus is a much more promising prospect than Curry is/ever was. Curry sucks, he cant rebound despite his massive size, cant play D, is a big softy, has bad hands, is a crybaby, and has a big heart problem, pun intended. Nobody wanted this guy except the worst GM in all of sports.

How in the hell did he get lucky the Knicks were in the lottery? They have been a horrible, horrible franchise for awhile now, it wasnt exactly an out-on-the-limb prediction to see them in the lottery,

The last sentence is just ridiculous. Every single team in the NBA right now would rather have Tyrus and Noah than Curry.

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In what NBA is that bad for a guard? I covered this twice now, but my point is he has improved every single year hes been in the NBA, why would it be unusual to think it would continue to go up and probably peak around 47-49%, which is pretty good for an NBA PG.

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Well I disagree and think most NBA GM's would too, but we have made our points, but my last one is.. Did you really just describe Curry as "An athletic 7 footer?" I just found that funny.

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People used to say that about Ben Wallace.


Tyrus has showed alot of improvement since his first game last season at rebounding and his post moves. If you watched his footwork and back to the basket ability against Milwaukee a couple games ago you had to be at least a little happy about the improvement he has seemed to make in that area. I think he still has a very high ceiling.

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A fat blob that is pretty good at scoring and is more intrigued at the idea of being good at NBA Live on his XBOX 360 than at being an all star.

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I think Tyrus will average over 15 PPG in a season in his career. I think he can improve enough offensively to actually be considered a thread. I know he has to work on his shooting more, but like I said I like the improvement I have seen in just one year in his hands, his footwork, and his low post moves, as well as him seeing to have an eye for the ball and always making plays that make you turn your head.

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To take this in another direction Nas, I have a feeling you like the Knicks this year with Randolph. I liked the Balkman pick(Isaiah's one great quality is eye for talent), but I dont see them winning 40 games this year. I feel like I could post up Curry/Randolph.

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I think we've had this discussion before . I agree, most of his other moves haven't worked out, but when you factor in that Curry had a bum ticker at the time and there was still doubt whether he would play in another NBA game and they could have gotten NOTHING for him, he did alright.

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I will say, if the Bulls had Curry last year to throw the ball into, they probably make it to the finals.

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We'll see. They coulda/woulda/shoulda had a lead and got in but bottom line is finished with 33 wins and only beat 3 teams in the very weak East. I think they finish somewhere around 37-45. I see at the very least Detroit, Cleveland, Chicago, Miami, New Jersey, Washington, Orlando, Boston and Toronto being better than them, basically all the playoff teams from last season and Boston. I cant really envision a scenario in which the Knicks are better than any of these teams this season.

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Allan Houston coming back will do that for you, and isnt eddy curry hurt?