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@TeddyGreenstein: I'm hearing of a major coaching move involving a B1G school but can't get it confirmed. Damn journalism rules.

What would this be? Fitz?

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Wisconsin coach to Oregon State.

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Hopefully, KC Johnson doesn't get a hold of this story.


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PostPosted: Wed Dec 10, 2014 5:35 pm 
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Literally just got done reading this article. Wonder if it's sort of related. Still seems odd, though.
http://cfn.scout.com/2/1490029.html

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” In heaven there is no beer/ That's why we drink it here (Right Here!)/ When we're gone from here,/ all our friends will be drinking all our beer!” … Again, cool with Ohio State being in. I’m not arguing against it, and I’m glad it’s Ohio State vs. Alabama. But maybe, just maybe, Wisconsin was ripe to get blasted because the program has hit a hard-ceiling.

Getting to a third Big Ten championship game in four years is impressive, but it also speaks to the Big Ten’s biggest problem. If Wisconsin continues to be one of your superpowers, you have an issue.

Kansas State might be close, but there has been no bigger bumslayer of a big-time college football program – a beater of the mediocre and sad - since Barry Alvarez created the system that turned around one of the most woeful programs in the country into a powerhouse over 20 years ago, and now, it’s time Wisconsin takes a hard look at how the bratwurst is being made.

Let 59-0 be the wake-up call that LSU’s win at the beginning of the season should’ve been. Yeah, it’s great to blow away the Bowling Greens and Purdues of the world, and when the ground game is rolling, it’s easy to fall into a false sense of security when there’s a blasting of a Nebraska and the running backs – who have done a fat load of jack squat upon entering the NFL – pile up a bazillion yards, but Ohio State won 59-0 because it could. Ohio State’s third-string quarterback is better than Wisconsin’s starter, and when the pressure and heat were on, the four-and-five-star talents rocked the recruit-to-a-type guys, just like LSU did in the fourth quarter of its win.

At home, yeah, Wisconsin is phenomenal, and the Camp Randall advantage helped in the two really, really amazing wins over the last two decades – giving Ohio State its only loss in 2010, and beating the defending national champ Buckeyes in 2003. But even those two Badger teams blew it, gagging away the 2011 Rose Bowl to TCU by forgetting to run the ball, and losing five of its last six in 2003.

In non-conference games against Power 5-level programs away from Madison, how has Wisconsin done lately?

2014 vs. LSU, 28-24 loss. 2014 Capital One Bowl vs. South Carolina, 34-24 loss. 2013 at Arizona State, not fair, but 32-30 loss. 2013 Rose Bowl vs. Stanford, 20-14 loss. 2012 at Oregon State, 10-7 loss. 2012 Rose Bowl vs. Oregon, 45-38 loss. 2011 Rose Bowl vs. TCU (we’ll count this as a Power 5-level game), 21-19 loss. 2009 Champs Sports Bowl vs. Miami, 20-14 win. 2008 Champs Sports Bowl vs. Florida State, 42-13 loss. 2008 Outback Bowl vs. Tennessee 21-17 loss.

Of course, beating Michigan State in the 2011 Big Ten championship matters, as does the 70-31 blasting of Nebraska in the 2012 Big Ten championship. Of course, most programs would kill for the overall success Wisconsin has enjoyed, but at some point there has to be step taken forward.

Let 59-0 be your 2014 wake-up call, Wisconsin. It’s time to figure out how to get the bigger, better recruits, and it’s time to really and truly plunge right through that line.


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Brian Hamilton ‏@BrianHamiltonSI 25s25 seconds ago
Per @ESPNRittenberg & @TravHaneyESPN, Gary Andersen was frustrated with admissions policies. But still. A stunner.


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Gary Andersen is a spaz. Good riddance.


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Odd move - maybe Wisconsin isn't as good of a job that some would be led to believe.

Kirk Ferentz for Wisconsin!


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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Odd move - maybe Wisconsin isn't as good of a job that some would be led to believe.

Kirk Ferentz for Wisconsin!

I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.


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Kirkwood wrote:
Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Odd move - maybe Wisconsin isn't as good of a job that some would be led to believe.

Kirk Ferentz for Wisconsin!

I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.


His offense was also never a good fit for Wisconsin football. Could be that too. But it sounds like he wanted to significantly change the admission policies. Had to have known those when he was hired.


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Bucky Chris wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
Hawkeye Vince wrote:
Odd move - maybe Wisconsin isn't as good of a job that some would be led to believe.

Kirk Ferentz for Wisconsin!

I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.


His offense was also never a good fit for Wisconsin football. Could be that too. But it sounds like he wanted to significantly change the admission policies. Had to have known those when he was hired.

I don't think he was well liked. I for sure didn't.


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Kirkwood wrote:
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Odd move - maybe Wisconsin isn't as good of a job that some would be led to believe.

Kirk Ferentz for Wisconsin!

I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.


His offense was also never a good fit for Wisconsin football. Could be that too. But it sounds like he wanted to significantly change the admission policies. Had to have known those when he was hired.

I don't think he was well liked. I for sure didn't.


I'd say 50-50 in Badger fans. He really screwed up at QB, which was a big reason we lost to LSU and NU. Lot of fans never forgave him for that.


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Kirkwood wrote:
I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.

Changing demographics?

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So now Michigan and Wisconsin need coaches.

Profootballtalk has Bevell as a possibility for Wisconsin


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They are already worried Pitt coach to Wisconsin.

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Firing Bo Pelini is the big move. You heard it here first.

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Curious Hair wrote:
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I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.

Changing demographics?

Football players aren't being produced in the Midwest like they used to be. Tough(er) to recruit Sun Belt players when they're pursued by schools in their own backyard.


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The number of Midwestern prospects signing BCS-level scholarships has dropped over the past decade. From 2002 to 2007, about 200 players per year within the 500-mile radius (Kirkwood: Lincoln, Neb as the center) signed with BCS schools. Since 2008, the average is approximately 150.

Look at the state of Oklahoma. Five years ago, it was churning out 20 to 30 BCS-level prospects per year. Last year, according to Rivals.com, it produced just 16. This year, only 10.

Other Plains states are experiencing similar slumps. Minnesota. Kansas. Colorado. From 2005 to 2010, Colorado produced an average of 16 BCS signees per year. The past three recruiting cycles, the average was nine.

In Nebraska, the story is the same. The state has produced just three BCS signees the past two years — and one of those, Christian Lacouture, moved to Lincoln Southwest for only his senior season.

Those are the lowest in-state totals during the scholarship limit era.

Meanwhile, the Sun Belt booms. Population in southern states grew 14 percent from 2000 to 2010, compared with just 4 percent in the Midwest. Per capita, they produce more than twice as many BCS recruits.

Fueled by SEC dominance, there’s a growing perception that southern football is superior. College coaches are flooding the region.

Look at Georgia. From 2004 to 2008, it produced an average of 90 BCS recruits per year. Pretty incredible for a state of 9 million. But that was nothing. The past five years, the average is more than 115.

That’s 25 fewer scholarships available to kids from the Midwest and other areas.


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They are already worried Pitt coach to Wisconsin.


Chryst would make sense given his back history. Doeren could get a call too.


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Chryst wouldn't last more than 3 years at Wisconsin. Lifelong OC that isn't a good fit as a head coach. Even Purdue turned him down. :lol:

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Chryst wouldn't last more than 3 years at Wisconsin. Lifelong OC that isn't a good fit as a head coach. Even Purdue turned him down. :lol:

Because who Purdue chose is doing so well. :lol: :lol: :lol:


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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
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Chryst wouldn't last more than 3 years at Wisconsin. Lifelong OC that isn't a good fit as a head coach. Even Purdue turned him down. :lol:

Because who Purdue chose is doing so well. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I know Wisconsin fans don't want to admit this, but maybe just maybe the God Barry Alvarez is the issue. All coaches have egos and they may not like somebody looking over their shoulder the whole time saying this is the Wisconsin way. Also, maybe Wisconsin fans need a reality check and realize that 10-11 win seasons are really good.

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I know Wisconsin fans don't want to admit this, but maybe just maybe the God Barry Alvarez is the issue. All coaches have egos and they may not like somebody looking over their shoulder the whole time saying this is the Wisconsin way. Also, maybe Wisconsin fans need a reality check and realize that 10-11 win seasons are really good.

Alvarez acts like a freaking GM.


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Hawkeye Vince wrote:
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I know Wisconsin fans don't want to admit this, but maybe just maybe the God Barry Alvarez is the issue. All coaches have egos and they may not like somebody looking over their shoulder the whole time saying this is the Wisconsin way. Also, maybe Wisconsin fans need a reality check and realize that 10-11 win seasons are really good.

Alvarez acts like a freaking GM.

He is as pompous and arrogant as they come.

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The way Wisconsin builds a team also causes them to be bad matchups against a lot of elite teams while they can absolutely steamroll average competition. The pure size and strength of Wisconsin always amazes me but there is a reason that the best teams in the country and the Big Ten don't build their teams like that.

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Kirkwood wrote:
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I think all the Big Ten jobs excluding Ohio State and maybe Michigan are tough. Changing demographics and a semblance academic standards.

Changing demographics?

Football players aren't being produced in the Midwest like they used to be. Tough(er) to recruit Sun Belt players when they're pursued by schools in their own backyard.


Oh, right, gotcha. I thought you meant in the stands.

I'm glad we're not producing as many football players and I'm not all that surprised. I think Big Ten fans themselves secretly feel the same way, as the self-handicapping gives them the moral high ground of at least doing the best they can without the big black wang-whipping studs from down on the plantations -- oh, excuse me, the Sun Belt.

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The way Wisconsin builds a team also causes them to be bad matchups against a lot of elite teams while they can absolutely steamroll average competition. The pure size and strength of Wisconsin always amazes me but there is a reason that the best teams in the country and the Big Ten don't build their teams like that.

A lot of that has to do with the players that come out of Wisconsin though - lot of big farm boys.

Interesting thing now is you know Minnesota, Iowa are drooling to grab some of their potential players.


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There's something more here than is being revealed. Wisconsin is a better job than Oregon St. Wisconsin really has no shadow (unlike having to compete with a top program like Oregon) and is the best program in the Big Ten right after Ohio State.

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