mccaskey is going to have to do the hiring in your scenario too.... which is why what they plan to do and what you want them to do is really not that different... mccaskeys will own the team in both scenarios

Is it that hard to learn about football? I don't think so. By all accounts, the McCaskeys insulate themselves from their team and isolate themselves from other owners. They have no friends within professional football, no knowledge of football culture (they don't attend practices, never visit the locker room, etc), haven't established long-term relationships with respected football thinkers, etc. They have had decades to establish the connections and expertise required to run a professional football organization effectively. The fact that they cannot do this--and must rely on some slapdash process to hire their next GM is an embarrassment. This press conference doesn't represent a "mistake" made by people within the organization--rather, it is emblematic of the flawed, provincial and reactionary culture that the McCaskeys have cultivated within their organization.

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Ah ... well, if that's the case, that certainly doesn't exactly evoke strong feelings of hope then. Thank you.

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It sounds like George has been doing this over the past few years.

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And yet he still apparently includes Ted Phillips in the football decision-making process.

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The McCaskeys think they're too good for football. Why? Football is why they are what they are. They wouldn't have had the money to go to Notre Dame Prep and fly around the world snapping pictures if they didn't get filthy rich on NFL money. If you think you're above this brutish crap, then hire people to be in it and leave it the fuck alone.

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I don't understand that part. I think George is the right McCaskey for the job but he appears to care too much about public perception of ownership.

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I think the McCaskeys are probably more interested in being good Catholics than they are in being good NFL owners.

Notre Dame HS is not a playground for the social elite. Most of the student body comes from working class or lower middle class homes. What defines the school is its multi-generational commitment to service.

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If he cared or was aware of public perception, then Phillips would not have been involved today.

Hm, never would have guessed NFL ownership overlapped with the front-yard-bathtub-Mary crowd, but they did live in Des Plaines. God forbid they sent their kids to Fenwick or Seacrest would never stop defending them.

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Not going to Foreclose on anyone at this time. open to all ideas.

Right now Accorsi is calling Ted 'gonna need more money to hande the media that wants to talk to me...and who is this Grid Iron Assasin guy?"

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He's loyal.

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Would the Rooneys need to hire a consultant? The Maras?

This is a family business with no family member actually knowing the industry.

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Phillips is like their slow version of Johnah Hill's character in Moneyball.

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This is called outsourcing of accountability or good old fashion CYA when an inept exec hires a "reputable" counsel to cite the latter at the time in the future when the shtuff hits the fan.

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George isn't responsible for what others have done in the past. He has been trying to build relationships.

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Can someone explain to me what he was trying to say when he kept saying "foreclose" on ideas? I don't know what he means. Is that a new use for the word or something or did he like have a stroke or am I a dope?

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2 verrrry different discussions.

Mark Davis called Jim Harbaugh, even after all reports that Harbaugh was going to Michigan.

Ted Phillips has some messages from some people very interested.

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Notre Dame High School is the cradle of the law enforcement community.

They have double digit Mc Caskeys running around. Isn't their one kid who grew up with a passion for the game, starting as ballboy and working his way up during the summers while getting some top notch business degree and then interning in other sports management organization?

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Why you son of a ...

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I don't think there's anything wrong with bringing in a consultant in and of itself; the Seahawks vetted, interviewed, and hired John Schneider through an executive search firm. That said, Paul Allen is new to football, so using a search firm made some sense there. The McCaskeys are, shall we say, not new to football, and their counterparts (the Maras and Rooneys, specifically) always seem to do this in-house. I think bringing in Accorsi is a smart move, but it's certainly not a good look for the franchise.

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Counterexample to the Seahawks thing is that the Jets used the same executive search firm to find John Idzik, and, uh

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1st, I don't give a shit about beat reporters in this town throwing around theories any more than I give a shit about all of us on this message board throwing around 'theories', theories aren't facts. If there are facts out there that reveal this to be true about the Bears front office/ownership then that is a different story. I'm not aware of it being a fact, however -and based off your reply here you aren't either or you would have added it being a fact to your post.

2nd, going out and actually hiring a former GM and well connected NFL guy to lead this process is not mutually exclusive with hiring a 'firm' to conduct the same process. If they have hired a former NFL GM to conduct this exact type of search in the past then I am not aware of it, so feel free to put that out there in this thread as I would like to read about it.


As for Accorsi feeding them half hearted ideas and suggestions? Yeah, I'll file that under bullshit for now as I can't think of any logical reason to believe he would, or anyone else would for that matter. Its not an Area 51 conspiracy we're dealing with here or the JFK assassination, its fucking football.

I don't know if hiring Accorsi will bring the Bears to the promised land and lead to them competing every year with the likes of the Patriots and Green Bay, but I like that they actually seem to be thinking logically about this for once by going out and grabbing a football mind. If indeed Ted Phillips and a McCaskey in one way or the other are simply taking in these suggestions and ignoring them then its buisness as usuall and it won't take long for that stupidity to show up on gameday. But we really have no way of knowing at this moment, we can only go off what we're being given this second, and this second they seem to be doing things differently.

I'll give this a chance.

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If the rule you followed lead you to this, of what use was the rule?

Anyone thay Accorsi recommends will be someone he is connected to.

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Cant think that ted will be bringing in his own connections as well. he even told us how much more well connected he is now than he was 3 years ago. Ughhhhhh

And when asked who would decide teddy jumped right in, before Georgia said anything.

This should have been George talking and not Ted!

"I will have the final say on who is hired" IS WHAT SHOULD BE SAID BY THE CEO OF AN NFL TEAM!

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Why do we trust Accorsi to make a good recommendation? Does he have friends in football he will push? Is he more loyal to other organizations than he is the Bears? Based on my own professional experience, I have always found hiring consultants and search firms to be far less effective than the internal recruiting that is conducted by "expert" members of a given organization. I DO think that it makes sense for prospective employers to use a search firm as a way of ensuring they aren't missing out on any "hidden" talent or alternative perspectives. But to operate from a position of complete and utter ignorance--as the McCaskeys do--and thus overemphasize the recommendations of a search firm strikes me as risky and illogical.

Paul Allen obviously hit a home run when he hired John Schneider. He also has a track record of success with the Trail Blazers, and clearly knows a thing or two about professional sports. The McCaskeys are proven successes at nothing except living off the money and power created by George Halas. I have absolutely no faith that this will end well for the Bears. But we'll see.

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You somehow ascertained that what I said above wasn't a fact? You're really a sharp guy, aren't you? Did you make that Einsteinian interpretive leap based on the FACT that I used the word "theory" in my post?

As for the rest of your post, YOU seem to be doing a lot of "theorizing" here. You have absolutely no idea whether or not the search firm that identified Angelo as a finalist for the Bears GM position relied on NFL consultants or not, do you? If YOU have these facts at your disposal, please feel free to present them to me. In my estimation, it is reasonable to assume that the search firm relied on multiple "consultations" from "respected" NFL minds to vet candidates. That approach would be consistent with the methods employed by executive search firms in other fields. To hypothesize otherwise reflects a shocking level of ignorance on your part. Consequently, it would seem that this hiring process will be quite similar to the one that brought us Angelo a decade ago.

Further, what happens if Accorsi makes one good recommendation and two bad ones for this position? Do you believe that George and Ted have the ability to discern between a strong candidate and a weak one? If so, why do you believe that's the case? Bear in mind that both of them know Phil Emery quite well, and yet they still couldn't recognize the fact that the man is an incompetent buffoon, something that became fairly obvious to the general public after only a few of his press conferences.

As for Accorsi's reliability under this circumstance, I tend to believe that external consultants are often as interested in serving their own interests as they are the interests of their short-term employers. In this case, it remains to be seen whether or not those interests intersect or not.

Like you, I'll give this "new" process a chance. But that's only because I have no other choice, not because, as you preposterously assert, that the Bears seem to be doing things differently here.

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I like the move. I just hope Phil/Ted listen to him. Looking at his wiki, he's had success.

Accorsi has worked with Schottenheimer, hired Belichick, hired Dan Reeves, hired Fassel, and hired Coughlin.

Accorsi and The Hoodie are said to have been a big influence on Newsome in Cleveland.

He also traded for Eli Manning and traded for a supplemental pick to get Kosar.

Maybe he can poach DeCosta from Baltimore. DeCosta didn't talk to Ted last time. Maybe Ernie can change his mind.

This also means no washed up Shanahan. Cutler is out of allies, they've all been axed.