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PostPosted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:46 am 
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This is a clear assumption, but I am assuming they were cleared earlier because they provided false addresses somehow, then it was later they found the certain kids didn't really live at those addresses and lived outside the boundaries. I know none of this to be true, but I would think it would be something like that.

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In fairness to Hawg, I asked him to make an educated guess and he did.



Rules are rules but man this fucking blows.


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Jackie Robinson was looked at more because mayors in the south suburbs were throwing parades for the players who played on a Chicago team. Made it a lot easier.

Bringing more attention upon yourself does tend to get yourself more attention.

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In fairness to Hawg, I asked him to make an educated guess and he did.
Hawg wasn't treated unfairly.

He cited how hard it is to get cleared as a reason why cheating isn't happening all over the place. It is more than fair to point out that JRW was cleared multiple times.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
In fairness to Hawg, I asked him to make an educated guess and he did.



Rules are rules but man this fucking blows.


Who is the winner in this story? No one?

Exactly, but if there were adults that knowingly did this, they owe those kids and families big apologies. The kids will still have the memories, which is great. They had the time of their life and I am fairly certain knew nothing of any of this. Just a sad story.

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The thing is, if the other leagues had said "Hey, this guy shouldn't be on the team" then JRW may have said "You are right, he won't play".


If it was one or two players, maybe...I think the guy from EP said that only 4 or 5 kids were actually legit.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
In fairness to Hawg, I asked him to make an educated guess and he did.
Hawg wasn't treated unfairly.

He cited how hard it is to get cleared as a reason why cheating isn't happening all over the place. It is more than fair to point out that JRW was cleared multiple times.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
In fairness to Hawg, I asked him to make an educated guess and he did.
Hawg wasn't treated unfairly.

He cited how hard it is to get cleared as a reason why cheating isn't happening all over the place. It is more than fair to point out that JRW was cleared multiple times.

I have also stated how they could have been cleared, when it actuality they weren't. And yes somebody had to do some digging to unearth all of this.

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I would like to know the difference the out of district player/s made.
To me this is sour grapes, jealousy and probably racism.
Like i posted on Nas FB post when a person or team of color is successful they are put under a microscope by the man. This clown Chris Janes went through voter registrations, running plates etc..?! I would have a serious problem with that if i were a parent of one of those kids.

I bet you can look at every LL district in the country and probably find at handfuls of teams doing the same thing. Since JRW slaughtered EP and made it to the final and got the attention of the nation then it became a problem.

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Some guy on Score now seems to have the full story.


Has he made any references about chopping off somebody's fucking head?

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It is being talked about on Score now that they did falsify docs. That was in the LL statement. So there you have all the info RPB. They cheated and it sucks for the kids on all sides. Now the JRW adults should be happy they do not go to jail based on what they falsified.

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I don't feel like those kids should be stripped of anything. Regardless how they won,the fact is they won. All penalties should be going forward to the next season. The Little League is full of coaches that skirt those rules,who are they kidding? I hope it doesn't turn in to a race thing but I'm sure it will and maybe that has some merit in this instance.

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Daryl and Dennis Butler are the biggest assholes in all of this. Granted they were allowed to do it for years but they still knew it was against the rules and now the kids are being punished.

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pittmike wrote:
It is being talked about on Score now that they did falsify docs. That was in the LL statement. So there you have all the info RPB. They cheated and it sucks for the kids on all sides. Now the JRW adults should be happy they do not go to jail based on what they falsified.

I was not asking about JRW cheated. Im asking why people took it to such extreme levels to nail them on it.


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pittmike wrote:
Some guy on Score now seems to have the full story.


Has he made any references about chopping off somebody's fucking head?


:lol:

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I would like to know the difference the out of district player/s made.
To me this is sour grapes, jealousy and probably racism.
Like i posted on Nas FB post when a person or team of color is successful they are put under a microscope by the man. This clown Chris Janes went through voter registrations, running plates etc..?! I would have a serious problem with that if i were a parent of one of those kids.

I bet you can look at every LL district in the country and probably find at handfuls of teams doing the same thing. Since JRW slaughtered EP and made it to the final and got the attention of the nation then it became a problem.



I would like to know how many teams have rosters made mostly up of kids who live out of district but have an address in the boundaries they use.

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Daryl and Dennis Butler are the biggest assholes in all of this. Granted they were allowed to do it for years but they still knew it was against the rules and now the kids are being punished.

I would agree, according to what I have read.

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I don't feel like those kids should be stripped of anything. Regardless how they won,the fact is they won. All penalties should be going forward to the next season. The Little League is full of coaches that skirt those rules,who are they kidding? I hope it doesn't turn in to a race thing but I'm sure it will and maybe that has some merit in this instance.

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The Little League organization comes off really badly here if they have proof they falsified documents.

Ignore the evidence before so you can make money off of them and their story and then once that is done you suddenly decide it is credible.

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Who is the winner in this story? No one?


Actually, that's sort of my only real problem with this whole story ... there should be no champion.

Just flipping it to the next outfit is the kind of shit you do in beauty pageants. I mean, JRW didn't magically un-lose the game, so making them de facto champions is as nauseating in its own right as the apparent cheating. Besides, who's to say Vegas didn't cheat in some form or fashion as well, and for the sake of argument if they did, now their cheating is being inappropriately rewarded, and so on to the next team, etc.

This whole situation is the kind of thing Roger Goodell would point and laugh at for the rampant bumblefuckery and ham-fisted handling of the saga from top to bottom.

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Mr. Hernandez wrote:
I would like to know the difference the out of district player/s made.
To me this is sour grapes, jealousy and probably racism.
Like i posted on Nas FB post when a person or team of color is successful they are put under a microscope by the man. This clown Chris Janes went through voter registrations, running plates etc..?! I would have a serious problem with that if i were a parent of one of those kids.

I bet you can look at every LL district in the country and probably find at handfuls of teams doing the same thing. Since JRW slaughtered EP and made it to the final and got the attention of the nation then it became a problem.



I would like to know how many teams have rosters made mostly up of kids who live out of district but have an address in the boundaries they use.


Probably a decent amount. Parents do it to get their kids in school so I'm sure they wouldn't have an issue doing it to get their kid on a great team.

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rogers park bryan wrote:
pittmike wrote:
It is being talked about on Score now that they did falsify docs. That was in the LL statement. So there you have all the info RPB. They cheated and it sucks for the kids on all sides. Now the JRW adults should be happy they do not go to jail based on what they falsified.

I was not asking about JRW cheated. Im asking why people took it to such extreme levels to nail them on it.


That is not all the info.



I had an additional post before this that did not post that talked about that. Seems to me some combination of the suburban mayors and so on as well as the EP guys tipped off LL. My guess is LL swept it under for a variety of reasons or JRW defended with false docs. Then Vegas guy catches wind of it and says no effing way. He then goes Magnum PI because he is so mad or just a weirdo.

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The thing that is being completely missed here is that way too many adults are way too heavily invested in the baseball games of children.

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Karl Ravich reported that SomeGuy in Indianapolis involved w/LL approved this and he had ties to JRW going back 20 years or so.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The Little League organization comes off really badly here if they have proof they falsified documents.

Ignore the evidence before so you can make money off of them and their story and then once that is done you suddenly decide it is credible.


I have to assume that LL did not learn of false docs until well after WS was over.

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i am just glad Leary will be in at 11:40 AM to really break it down! because he once played in a league that played against them 25 years ago...and he is black! So his perspective is so much more in depth than us white guys that dont understand!

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Cheating was accepted for years until they had success.

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Mark Mulder now taking shots at JRW on twitter. Talking about how they cheated back when he played.

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The thing that is being completely missed here is that way too many adults are way too heavily invested in the baseball games of children.


Newsflash...parents root for their kids. I assume that you dont have kids.

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