it does

The machinations in basketball have taken some of the appeal from the game for me...so many salary dumps and intentional losing adding up to nothing.

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I found an example by current horrible poster One Post, though he doesn't specifically mention US Cellular Field.

http://score670.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=63832&p=1259500#p1259500

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

Uh oh, I don't think JORR is going to like how Euclid is going to treat him after this post...

Edited for inability to use quote function properly

Can you now do an edit that makes any bit of sense?

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

the guy that plays the music at The Cell is a stiff anyways!!!!!!!!!

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“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Is batboy Bob Sakamoto the same guy as the reporter/columnist?

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http://archives.chicagotribune.com/1990/09/28/page/269/article/his-story-i-was-a-teenage-batboy


and now you know the rest of the story!

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Was Jay Riemenschneider in their front office?

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Bob Sakamoto came to see our game against Maine South in HS, and I remember how excited we were. Big shot from the Trib!

We blew a 3 TD lead in the 4Q. They ran right up the middle right in my gap on a critical 4th and 2 and I failed miserably. I wonder if Bob remembers.

NO WAY is Sale #5

using CSFMB's own JORR analytics there are 50 pitchers that were better than Sale last year.

Heck he barely edged out "Losing" pitcher John Danks 12 to 11.

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What the fuck are you on about? Danks was .500 last season. Sale pitched .750 baseball.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Yu have taught me two things

1. ALL prospects FAIL
2. Pitcher WINS are the only stat that matters

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I guess I'll be the one to have to tell you this, but that joke is played

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O judgment! Thou art fled to brutish beasts,
And men have lost their reason.

Winning percentage.

And most prospects fail. Cub prospects fail more than most.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

OK here are two players both had historic seasons...

1959 Roy Face 18-1 .947 93.1 IP 2.70 ERA
1968 Bob Gibson 23-7 .710 304.2 IP 1.12 ERA

If you go by Winning percentage you would have to take over Face and just about every other pitcher in MLB history.

My basic point JORR is that if you take any one stat WINS, Win percent, WAR , FIP, HRs , RBI or BABIP and anyone can find a flaw in that stat.

I know you and many of of your subdivision cohorts think Theo is a con man and fraud...but if you remember back to one of his pressers when he came to the Cubs and was about traditonal scouting vs sabre analytics Theo said you have to look at both through their own lens. Then take both and put them over each other and try to find the guys that had the most crossover.

You and I both go to a lot of games and we both see things maybe not like a scout but after years of watching in person (not on TV) you start to see things just like a scout. If you look at the sabre stats as a whole you will find a whole lot more crossover then you may want to admit.

Yes there are outliers to both the eye test (does Sandoval "look" like a star) and guys like Lawrie defies the analytics.

The fact is I like both and some numbers because of our number bias mean more ...a guy who wins 20 sounds way better to the ear/mind then the guy who wins 19. The 40 HR guy or 100 RBI guy to our minds eye seems far superior to the guy who hit 39 or drove in 99. In fact they are about the same but those numbers get the press clippings and stand out on the back of the baseball card.

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Hang on.......what does this have to do with 'Merica baring his soul on disappointing Sakamoto?

You're not really paying attention to the stuff I write, are you? Elroy Face was a reliever. W/L record means next to nothing for relievers, though 18-1 is a hell of a season.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

It's insane. How does that happen?

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Yuo didn't read what I wrote did you ...but to further prove my point.....

1983 Moose Haas 13-3 .813 179.0 IP 3.27 ERA
or
1968 Bob Gibson 23-7 .710 304.2 IP 1.12 ERA

Who you takin' JORR ?

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Thank god we can talk about this. I've been waiting for this topic to come up.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

If all we have is the 13-3 and the 23-7, we can tell a lot. Like the disparity in innings pitched, which is important.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

bob gibson went 13-3 plus 10-4 all in the same season! pretty good!

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Reality is your friend, not your enemy. -- Seacrest

You still don't see it ....
1983 Moose Haas 13-3 .813 179.0 IP 3.27 ERA
2014 Chris Sale 12-4 .750 174.0 IP 2.17 ERA

Moose has a higher win percent so you taking him over Sale?

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That Haas season is very comparable to what Sale did last year.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don

Haas's team won 87 games in 1983
Sale's team won 73 games in 2014.

Bob Gibson's team won 97 games, and the World Series in 1968.

Outside of 1959, Roy Face had a career record of 86-94. He started a grand total of 27 MLB games. So no, you absolutely would not take him over "every other MLB pitcher in history."

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Haas break his foot....uuhmmm''Jumping ou of his truck (wink wink).....and just landed wrong."

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"That's what the internet is for. Slandering others anonymously." Banky
“Been that way since one monkey looked at the sun and told the other monkey ‘He said for you to give me your fuckin’ share.’”

Jeff Zimmerman had a similar season for the Rangers I think. He was like 12-1 at the all star break

Best season ever for a reliever: John Hiller 1973.

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Anybody here seen my old friend Bobby?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Matthew, Tulsi, and Don