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Aren't the Bears making a big mistake trying to implement the 3-4 scheme, rather than have Fangio adapt to the 4-3?? It worked in San Francisco because they had the personnel for it, but the Bears don't have that kind of personnel. I cringe at the thought that 33 yr. old Jared Allen is going to be playing OLB, when he lacked speed at end in the 4-3 last year. Is he really going to be covering backs out of the back-field and tight-ends on outside slant and curl routes? How about having to shed blockers and tackle Adrian Petersen on the sweep? Not!! Maybe his illness at the beginning of the season set him back, but my feeling is the defense as a whole is going to be a train-wreck again this year with no perimeter defense at all.

They're at least 3 or 4 years away from being competitive defensively in the new scheme is the way I see it.


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Aren't the Bears making a big mistake trying to implement the 3-4 scheme, rather than have Fangio adapt to the 4-3?? It worked in San Francisco because they had the personnel for it, but the Bears don't have that kind of personnel. I cringe at the thought that 33 yr. old Jared Allen is going to be playing OLB, when he lacked speed at end in the 4-3 last year. Is he really going to be covering backs out of the back-field and tight-ends on outside slant and curl routes? How about having to shed blockers and tackle Adrian Petersen on the sweep? Not!! Maybe his illness at the beginning of the season set him back, but my feeling is the defense as a whole is going to be a train-wreck again this year with no perimeter defense at all.

They're at least 3 or 4 years away from being competitive defensively in the new scheme is the way I see it.


Coaches run their system. If the Bears want to build a team for the long term, you let the coach run his system rather than forcing him to use a different system. Sure there are differences between the 3-4 and 4-3 defense, but it isnt like its a completely different sport, and many players have played in both at some point in their careers.

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 Post subject: Re: Fangio 3-4 Scheme
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I've always liked the 3-4 better , at least you can disguise the blitzer and get creative. I'm not worried about the defense..its the QB throwing the ball to the other team that's my concern.

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I've always liked the 3-4 better , at least you can disguise the blitzer and get creative. I'm not worried about the defense..its the QB throwing the ball to the other team that's my concern.



And now Aaron Rodgers will actually have to spend some time preparing to face the Bears.

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Aren't the Bears making a big mistake trying to implement the 3-4 scheme, rather than have Fangio adapt to the 4-3?? It worked in San Francisco because they had the personnel for it, but the Bears don't have that kind of personnel. I cringe at the thought that 33 yr. old Jared Allen is going to be playing OLB, when he lacked speed at end in the 4-3 last year. Is he really going to be covering backs out of the back-field and tight-ends on outside slant and curl routes? How about having to shed blockers and tackle Adrian Petersen on the sweep? Not!! Maybe his illness at the beginning of the season set him back, but my feeling is the defense as a whole is going to be a train-wreck again this year with no perimeter defense at all.

They're at least 3 or 4 years away from being competitive defensively in the new scheme is the way I see it.


Coaches run their system. If the Bears want to build a team for the long term, you let the coach run his system rather than forcing him to use a different system. Sure there are differences between the 3-4 and 4-3 defense, but it isnt like its a completely different sport, and many players have played in both at some point in their careers.


The one difference is that the OLBs have to cover tight-ends and backs out of the backfield in the flat. How can Jared Allen be expected to do that well when he's never done it before? He ran a 4.7 40 yrd. dash in 2004. Ten years later he must be running a 4.9 or 5.0 now and that's not good enough for that position. But the Bears can't cut him because the $12.5 million due to him this year is guaranteed. If they cut him, they would have to eat all of that, which is close to 10% of their cap this year.

Rogers is going to be rolling Allen's way all day long on week one. This is what we're going to see a lot of.

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Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?

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Also ..I only see Allen playing sparsely and mostly 3rd n long.

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There's a guy that used to play for the Bears that made nice adjustment to it last year. :wink:

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3-4 won't need 3 years if Pace finds his Miller/Smith/Matthews/Suggs. Find that guy and you're all good.

Until then....Rodgers needs no prep.


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mel tucker tried to mimic lovie's 4-3 scheme... how'd that end up?

i'll let one of the proven best DC's in football run whatever the hell system he wants. I'm not expecting a superbowl this year, i'm just looking for competent leadership and player development.


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Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


This is my point. He did not do well in a defense where his position responsibilities were limited last year as an edge rusher and for run containment, and now the Bears change the defense to give him more responsibilities in pass defense? Where's the wisdom in that?

Make McClellin the OLB and have Allen in only on pass situations. Otherwise, we're screwed on the perimeter. But they're saying that McClellin is going to be one of the ILBs. Are you kidding me? He's going to get creamed inside, because he can't shed blocks. At least he has the speed to play OLB.

As usual the Bears are putting square pieces in round holes. That's what they're good at.


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3-4 won't need 3 years if Pace finds his Miller/Smith/Matthews/Suggs. Find that guy and you're all good.

Until then....Rodgers needs no prep.



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Dignified Rube wrote:
312player wrote:
Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


This is my point. He did not do well in a defense where his position responsibilities were limited last year as an edge rusher and for run containment, and now the Bears change the defense to give him more responsibilities in pass defense? Where's the wisdom in that?

Make McClellin the OLB and have Allen in only on pass situations. Otherwise, we're screwed on the perimeter. But they're saying that McClellin is going to be one of the ILBs. Are you kidding me? He's going to get creamed inside, because he can't shed blocks. At least he has the speed to play OLB.


who gives a shit about this year? the point of this year is hopefully the coaches can find some players on this roster are useable and can be used as they try to build a winner. jared allen is getting cut next year no matter how good he plays.


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312player wrote:
Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


Exactly. This year is a transition year for the Bears. They arent expected to win anything this year.

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312player wrote:
Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


Exactly. This year is a transition year for the Bears. They arent expected to win anything this year.

Theo running the Bears also?

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Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


This is my point. He did not do well in a defense where his position responsibilities were limited last year as an edge rusher and for run containment, and now the Bears change the defense to give him more responsibilities in pass defense? Where's the wisdom in that?

Make McClellin the OLB and have Allen in only on pass situations. Otherwise, we're screwed on the perimeter. But they're saying that McClellin is going to be one of the ILBs. Are you kidding me? He's going to get creamed inside, because he can't shed blocks. At least he has the speed to play OLB.

As usual the Bears are putting square pieces in round holes. That's what they're good at.


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 Post subject: Re: Fangio 3-4 Scheme
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wasn't that sutton guy a #2 pick just last year? Now is he going to be released?

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It's different, but not by a lot. You still rush 4 in a 3-4 for the most part. It's just you have one linebacker rushing from a 2 point stance instead of a DE rushing from a 3 point stance. That's pretty much it. And it won't be a 2 gap like in Lovie's system.

In a 3-4 it's just easier to disguise stuff. Like the rush linebacker dropping back and somebody else charging the line. Or sometimes the rush LB drops back and you do rush 3 but you zone cover with more guys.

But the Bears don't have the big fat nose tackle that you need. Unless they told one of our guys to get fat. Maybe I'm wrong. Did they draft a big fat nose guard in the 3rd or 4th? I forget.


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But the Bears don't have the big fat nose tackle that you need. Unless they told one of our guys to get fat. Maybe I'm wrong. Did they draft a big fat nose guard in the 3rd or 4th? I forget.

Eddie Goldman. Drafted in 2nd round.

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wasn't that sutton guy a #2 pick just last year? Now is he going to be released?


3rd round....but still highly regarded. Many had him as a 1st rounder as a JR? This was gonna a steal of a pick....WOW

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Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


Exactly. This year is a transition year for the Bears. They arent expected to win anything this year.


That is a cop-out, loser argument --- a Bernstein and Zach Zaidman argument. We have been in re-load mode forever. I'm not excusing the team this year for any bad performance just because there's new coaches. The expectations should be that much greater because we have Fox now.

They have to be good enough to win eight games, maybe nine with their offense or am I wrong? We should be able to outgun most teams now except GB, PATS, Miami, Denver and Indy.


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Where did you see Sutton released?

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Dignified Rube wrote:
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Jared Allen sucked in the 4-3 , he's washed up. You want to design a defense around a has been who sucked last year?


Exactly. This year is a transition year for the Bears. They arent expected to win anything this year.


That is a cop-out, loser argument --- a Bernstein and Zach Zaidman argument. We have been in re-load mode forever. I'm not excusing the team this year for any bad performance just because there's new coaches. The expectations should be that much greater because we have Fox now.

They have to be good enough to win eight games, maybe nine with their offense or am I wrong? We should be able to outgun most teams now except GB, PATS, Miami, Denver and Indy.


Yes, you are wrong. This is a new regime and new schemes. They are stuck with some players that don't fit the scheme who will be gone in 1 or 2 years. The record doesnt matter this year. This is a year of learning new systems and schemes and laying the foundation for the future.

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