1) It's difficult to interpret the meaning of the marks without knowing their severity. So far, I have only heard that the victim had bite marks on her shoulders and a scratch on her leg. Any decent defense attorney would attempt to minimize both by claiming they resulted from "rough" or "wild" but consensual sex. My understanding is that such arguments succeed in court pretty frequently.

2) I agree that the call to the family member seems bad for Kane. But again, there are ways to spin this if you are a good defense attorney, especially given the resources Kane has at his disposal.

Based on the scant details available, it seems hard to imagine that Kane will be convicted, if he is even charged with a crime.

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But do bite marks on her shoulder and a single scratch on her legs necessarily suggest the sex wasn't consensual?

Did it start out as consensual and then become non-consensual?

Based on what I've heard so far, this one is tough to figure.

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lol at Tall Midget's sig in all this.

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"I just fucked Patrick Kane, now we can go through with the plan."

"Okay, go to the hospital and have a rape kit done and then call me. We are gonna ruin this mother fucker for not coming to Buffalo"

I already have this thing figured out. Hopefully this girl does some jail time.

I dont know but the people Im referring to werent really discussing the details. They just brushed it off as gold digging.


I dont think the woman set up to do this to Kane and I dont think she's after money. But that's assuming the facts that have slipped out are correct.

The reflex of "she's after his money" whenever this happens with a rich person is troubling.

She's after his stock portfolio.

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I don't think he's innocent; without more details, I can't really form any belief one way or the other. But if you're looking for plausible reasons for why she would make it up, I'd say the most likely case would be that he severely pissed her off after they had sex. People can react in an extremely irrational manner if they're sufficiently pissed off. Being shamed when you're at your most vulnerable can piss one off to an extreme degree.

Again to be clear: I'm not saying I think this is the case, or even that it's likely. Just plausible. People react extremely strangely sometimes. Take the girl from that "A rape on campus" story last year; it's almost inconceivable that a girl would invent a story of a gang-rape happening at a fraternity in order to try and gain the attention of a boy, yet that does seem to be what happened. She was willing to share her 'story' with Rolling Stone, even though she knew it was false.

We'll know a lot more going forward, because apparently she had a friend there, and I believe Kane had friends there. There's a lot more evidence to come, and I don't think there's much use in coming to any conclusions at this point.

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Maybe she's the granddaughter of the cab driver Kane pummeled and is seeking vengeance in his name.

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Obviously, the reason women are often reluctant to prosecute such cases. But there seems to be a lot of facts that suggest this isn't some nitwit broad hunting money or fame and that it wasn't a case of drunken regret at a later date. Some bad facts for Kane, especially if her girlfriend who was with her has some credible testimony on her behalf. And let's face it, Kane's reputation doesn't really help him in the court of public opinion.

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Are we sure that this wasn't actually the work of Kane's drunk idiot cousin?

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This is more or less how I think Kane's attorney would spin things, especially if the alleged victim's injuries are minor.

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Even if Kane is innocent the Hawks and himself are better off trying to pay this girl off right away so they can start worrying about the upcoming season.

Most of Chicago will forgive him as soon as he scores his first game winning goal and every other NHL city will ruthlessly heckle him even if this girl comes out tomorrow and says it was all a lie.

The quicker they can bury this, the better.

The "facts" as they have been presented so far certainly don't cast Kane in a positive light, but nothing I've heard suggests he would be convicted of sexual assault.

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The whole idea that he was some sort of reformed person who just had some youthful indiscretions is hopefully gone forever. He's a bad guy who doesn't deserve the benefit of the doubt.

As has been pointed out though, hockey seems to be full of bad guys so I guess you just deal with it.

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Yeah, I think putting facts in quotes here is appropiate.

Without some eyewitness testimony from the woman's friend, I have my doubts the case will even be prosecuted. That certainly doesn't mean he isn't guilty though.

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She could lie and Kane could be innocent. She could tell the truth and he could be guilty as hell. This all sucks. You are right, he needed to be smarter.

chloroform & a shovel?

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That's terrible.

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It is terrible.

I was thinking more of you can't have drunk/party sex with somebody you don't know.

Let's say it does go to trial and Kane gets off. People are gonna say it's just the Buffalo people protecting their hero.

But you know what? There might not be the evidence. At the end of the day, if you're a juror, are you really gonna send somebody away if you really aren't sure? No. And it really is gonna come down to his word against hers.

That's why date rape is the toughest one to convict.

Of course going to someone's house doesn't imply consent, I never said otherwise. Whether or not bite marks are normal is totally subjective, even for a first time encounter. What is normal for you may not be normal for someone else. Now, if there was significant vaginal trauma that suggested a struggle that would be a different story.

If she was underage or if she had been drugged this would be a slam dunk for the prosecution, but the fact that she was of age, was hammered at the bar and willingly agreed to attend the after party means this is going to be one of those he said she said debates about consent...and those are basically impossible to prove beyond a reasonable doubt.

Calling a family member at 4am doesn't prove anything...defense could easily paint the picture that she just starfucked Pat kane and wanted to brag about it. Also, do we know for sure that she called at 4am? Lots and lots of unsubstantiated rumors floating around. Even if she called and said she was raped that doesn't prove that she was raped or make it any more or less likely that its true.

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Even significant vagina trauma doesn't prove rape. Some people like it hard and rough.

Her girlfriend will be the key witness. If she can testify to her screaming for help then they can put Kane away. We don't even know if the girlfriend was awake. She could have been passed out drunk.

The defense should open with this.

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I don't know why you guys are laughing. Prosecutors are gonna bring that up as proof at trial. The defense attorney would absolutely say that to combat that argument.

So now assuming that she was not underage, and recognizing that the police haven't arrested anyone, I think its safe to assume that lawyers are in a room piling up fees. I think the only question left is how many zero's will the check have.

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Friends of the alleged victim are saying the lawyer has started to talk $$$$$ with Kaner. Also, she's a former cheerleader at the University of Buffalo.

http://sportsmockery.com/2015/08/rumor-the-friends-of-patrick-kanes-accuser-are-already-talking-million-dollar-settlement/

Yep. So if goes down that way , makes it look like she's goldigging even if 88 has invested in rohypnol factories.

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Wow. They said the girl voluntarily took Molly before going to the bar. That's not good for her case.

Although probably 25% of the people at a nightclub are on Molly I do agree that it doesn't look good for her case. Molly is a euphoric drug and will cause heightened sexual behaviors and desires. Doesn't mean you can't be raped if you are on Molly, but it sure does lend credence to the "consent" camp.

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