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Brick :lol: :lol: :lol:

So you stopped by to intentionally misstate my position? Or just to prove once again that you don't understand it?

"The Supreme Court has repeatedly held that “the government may accommodate religious practices without violating the Establishment Clause."

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If you were elected before the ruling, then you shouldn't be forced to choose between your faith and walking away from the job.
Fair enough.


And on Monday, the government saw the wisdom of this, respected her conscience rights under the Establishment Clause, and took her name off of the license.
This didn't really change anything I said.

The "accommodation" also sucks because now gay people get a different license. You a big fan of seperate but equal?

Also, please link the comment where I said fair enough, because I'm pretty sure that was sarcastic and you took out the non-sarcastic part. :lol:




So now you don't even know what you said??

:lol: :lol:

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Are there religions that forbid mixed race marriages?


Could a person claim religious freedom on that as well?


I have no idea about other religions. When other christians claimed that, they were unable to provide a basis for it

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So now you don't even know what you said??

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No I do. I was right. It was sarcastic. The fact that you cited that a sarcastic comment taken out of context is not on me.
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If you were elected before the ruling, then you shouldn't be forced to choose between your faith and walking away from the job.
Fair enough.

What about the laws on the books that now have her in jail? Those were there prior to her being elected.

Is it also then fair that she is in jail?

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When other christians claimed that, they were unable to provide a basis for it
So now have to prove a basis for your religious beliefs?

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 Post subject: Re: Seacrest
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Darkside wrote:
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However, read the story of the man that tried to rape, and eventually murdered Maria Goretti when she resisted. Read the story about Tim McVeigh..

I did read it. You wouldn't like what I think of that.



I don't have to like what you think in order to listen to what you have to say.

Word. OK then. So, I would have to say that a religion that offers redemption to a mass murderer of innocents isn't something that I'd want to be a part of.
That's something that always bothered me about some of the born again's I know. The couple that I've dealt with are by far the must judgmental bastards I've ever met. But almost by definition in order to be a born again you have had to have been a douchebag at one time or another. I ever relate to you the story of the broad that told me I was hellbound for reading "The Divinci Code"?

You can't tell me that a moment before Hitler died he just says gee you know what this was a really bad idea... what was I THINKING! and you still get absolution. Even if he really, really meant it. I don't buy it. I can't. Because if there really is a God, and I truly do believe there is (though I would wager you doubt I do), I can't see him buying that. Or saying it's ok.

But I also believe that we're Gods children. I don't have kids. So I say this with that caveat. But I can't imagine not loving my kid if she was gay. I can't really imagine it being much of an issue... that's not to say I wouldn't be disappointed. I probably would be. That doesn't fit MY plan. But what ever does? When was the last time MY PLAN made the slightest matter of fuck all?

I've told my dad I hate him. I bet we all have. But he still loves me. He knows what's really up in my heart. I don't buy for one minute that he would want me to suffer for all eternity the worst kind of pain and misery if I did something he thought didn't fit his PLAN. If I goofed. If I wasn't sorry for telling him I hate him. Because if I hated him, he still loves me.

But if I murdered hundreds of innocents... I could see him not wanting to just forgive me for that. No matter how sorry I was.
When I was young my dad taught me in a unique way that some things cannot just be taken back. It's a lesson I won't ever forget. Murder of innocents is something you just can't take back. Because you've done more than just fuck up your own life. If I say a bad word or fuck a dude that's my life, that's literally not hurting anyone other than myself, but ending someone's life or several hundred others' lives... that cannot be as easily forgiven as a drunken blowjob or multiple divorces, lies and children out of wedlock.


You are not God. I don't mean that as a put down. You say YOU cannot imagine forgiving a horrible situation yet others, like the parishoners in South Carolina, did forgive. I'm not saying their reality is superior to yours. I am saying that what you find to be unimaginable may actually be common.

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 Post subject: Re: Seacrest
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Darkside wrote:
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You guys are kind of Bernsteining Seacrest. He has beliefs but usually does the right thing. He's a judgy dick sometimes but doesn't hold it against people. He often fights for the right of what people believe in even if it is wrong.



Pretty much how I see it. Most would probably like Seacrest but for some reason he catches hell.

You misunderstand. I DO like Seacrest. I say it all the time. .


you don't believe it in your heart

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good dolphin,
You are a religious man. Do you believe that Kim Davis is right?

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 Post subject: Re: Seacrest
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Seacrest wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
Are there religions that forbid mixed race marriages?


Could a person claim religious freedom on that as well?


I have no idea about other religions. When other christians claimed that, they were unable to provide a basis for it

I dont see the difference between this and that


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 Post subject: Re: Seacrest
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You are a religious man. Do you believe that Kim Davis is right?


No, neither as a religious person or lawyer.

and I have only read one page of this thread

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good dolphin,
You are a religious man. Do you believe that Kim Davis is right?


No, neither as a religious person or lawyer.
Thanks.

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 Post subject: Re: Seacrest
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I had a Woodridge Ryan unapproved one liner against Darkside that got deleted very early in this thread and I have resented it ever since.

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 Post subject: Re: Seacrest
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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You are a religious man. Do you believe that Kim Davis is right?


No, neither as a religious person or lawyer.
Thanks.



Right about what?

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good dolphin wrote:
I had a Woodridge Ryan unapproved one liner against Darkside that got deleted very early in this thread and I have resented it ever since.

I didn't know that Biggie pruned your posts...I thought you had the master key(strokes).

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good dolphin wrote:
I had a Woodridge Ryan unapproved one liner against Darkside that got deleted very early in this thread and I have resented it ever since.

good dolphin wrote:
It's understandable how a guy who finds himself in your position in life might not believe there is a higher being looking down favorably upon him.


This one?

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Seacrest wrote:
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You are a religious man. Do you believe that Kim Davis is right?


No, neither as a religious person or lawyer.
Thanks.



Right about what?
You must have just entered the discussion.

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Seacrest wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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good dolphin,
You are a religious man. Do you believe that Kim Davis is right?


No, neither as a religious person or lawyer.
Thanks.



Right about what?

Boilermaker Rick wrote:
You must have just entered the discussion.


Zippy-The-Pinhead wrote:
Wording on the license issued Monday was altered to remove any mention of Davis or her office. Instead, a section of the license now states that it was issued pursuant to a federal court order rather than the county clerk.



You must have missed the part where she got what she originally asked for Brick.

So... someone in the courts or a political office agrees with what I've been espousing all along.

This truly was a good chat.

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You must have missed the part where she got what she originally asked for Brick.

So... someone in the courts or a political office agrees with what I've been espousing all along.

This truly was a good chat.
That response makes no sense but I'm used to it.

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You must have missed the part where she got what she originally asked for Brick.

So... someone in the courts or a political office agrees with what I've been espousing all along.

This truly was a good chat.
That response makes no sense but I'm used to it.


:lol: :lol:

You left out the part of my post where Zippy posted that she had received what she asked for.

And I'm arrogant for stating the obvious that you don't understand. :lol: :lol:

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:lol: :lol:

You left out the part of my post where Zippy posted that she had received what she asked for.

And I'm arrogant for stating the obvious that you don't understand. :lol: :lol:
This is wrong for a lot of reasons.
1) She wasn't simply stepping aside and letting someone else do it. She was denying marriage licenses. After she spent time in jail she suddenly accepted that they could be granted.
2) She is forcing those marriage licenses to be doctored which is legally dubious at best though it seems to be allowed until someone takes her to court once again.
3) We can still think she was wrong with her actions even if she is not currently in jail.
4) She literally served time in jail BECAUSE she was wrong. She didn't negotiate anything with the judge. He simply decided they could not hold her while licenses were being granted and she would stay out as long as she didn't interfere.
5) A very strong argument is to be made that she still is interfering with her "separate but equal" stance on marriage licenses.

It is really sad that she is such a hero to you.

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What bugs you the most Brick?

The fact that she got what she requested?

Or, the fact that she can't be forced to give her approval without her consent?

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What bugs you the most Brick?

The fact that she got what she requested?

Or, the fact that she can't be forced to give her approval without her consent?
Your approval of her.

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I'm just glad they didn't hyphenate a certain term, similar to what Bernstein does. Always creeps me out.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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What bugs you the most Brick?

The fact that she got what she requested?

Or, the fact that she can't be forced to give her approval without her consent?
Your approval of her.



I love you too.

Thanks for caring.

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She'll be let go from this job within the next year...once this all dies down.

Simply put...she is unable to perform the duties of the job. Grounds for termination.

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She'll be let go from this job within the next year...once this all dies down.

Simply put...she is unable to perform the duties of the job. Grounds for termination.


Sigh...she is an elected official. The termination will come if...and that's if...she is voted out.

There was a fascinating article on Gawker yesterday about the dynamics of this area.

http://jezebel.com/kim-daviss-kentucky-is-for-lovers-i-got-gay-married-in-1701531522

Outside of the fact that the term "got gay married" sounds like it was written by the Always Sunny guys, there is interesting revelation to the outside of the dynamics of this area.

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She'll be let go from this job within the next year...once this all dies down.

Simply put...she is unable to perform the duties of the job. Grounds for termination.

sometimes, you state things as fact that in fact have no basis in reality...are you predicting her impeachment?

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She'll be let go from this job within the next year...once this all dies down.

Simply put...she is unable to perform the duties of the job. Grounds for termination.

sometimes, you state things as fact that in fact have no basis in reality


Isn't that our mission statement?

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She'll be let go from this job within the next year...once this all dies down.

Simply put...she is unable to perform the duties of the job. Grounds for termination.

sometimes, you state things as fact that in fact have no basis in reality...are you predicting her impeachment?
If there was a God she would be.

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