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I still do not know whether it was the entire "bag" or was it a smaller bag that is part of a collection of evidence in a much larger "evidence bag".

If we are to believe the DNA link I also do not understand why Kane would be behind this.

Very confusing but the DA or police definitely have to get out there.

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Her lawyer is a long time prominent attorney that's a multi millionaire. He has no motive to do anything corrupt? For what?


Because being a corrupt sleazebag is par for the course for prominent multi-millionaire attorneys, esp ones from that neck of the woods, apparently.


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So either Patrick Kane is a criminal mastermind the likes of which we haven't seen since Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly, or this lawyer is a buffoon on par with Mike Nifong.

Is that about where we are?

:lol: :lol: You can get away with a lot when you have an entire police department at your disposal. I guess we can rule out that the accuser is black because she surely would've been gunned down by one of Kane's henchm…err cops on his payroll.

Come on Rogue, the guy has a cop in his entourage. Its not crazy to bring that up with the current situation.

This is getting to 9/11 conspiracy levels. The assumption that several people would risk their jobs and jail time ( and in order to risk that, would have to believe that Kane raped her so they'd be ok with that part of it too) just so good ol' Patty Kane can walk is stretching the limits. He's not Whitey fucking Bulger.

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Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?


No. You're missing it. Somebody in the department delivered it to her door as a way to expose the crime. That person was a good guy. The lawyer thanked him or her.


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Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?
Any irregularity with evidence helps the defense. Just like the OJ trial.

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Sounding like a hail-mary by the defense lawyer - gonna try to claim tampering after the disclosure of the non-Kane DNA. I can't believe that the evidence just disappeared from secure custody, and landed at the victim's mother's house.

Can't wait for the DA to respond.

As much as it seems like she is on trial, he is not a defense lawyer


Actually I think he is a defense lawyer. She hired him to represent him in some odd and unclear fashion, but he works as a criminal defense attorney.

Not sure what you would call him in this case since she hasn't been charged with a crime (yet).

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This is getting to 9/11 conspiracy levels. The assumption that several people would risk their jobs and jail time ( and in order to risk that, would have to believe that Kane raped her so they'd be ok with that part of it too) just so good ol' Patty Kane can walk is stretching the limits. He's not Whitey fucking Bulger.
So how did they get the bag, and why is the accusers side risking the same jobs and jail time?

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further enforces why cops are crooked incompetent losers...


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A cop would risk his job if Kane paid him 5 or 6 million dollars.


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badrogue17 wrote:
rogers park bryan wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
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So either Patrick Kane is a criminal mastermind the likes of which we haven't seen since Tonya Harding and Jeff Gilooly, or this lawyer is a buffoon on par with Mike Nifong.

Is that about where we are?

:lol: :lol: You can get away with a lot when you have an entire police department at your disposal. I guess we can rule out that the accuser is black because she surely would've been gunned down by one of Kane's henchm…err cops on his payroll.

Come on Rogue, the guy has a cop in his entourage. Its not crazy to bring that up with the current situation.

This is getting to 9/11 conspiracy levels. The assumption that several people would risk their jobs and jail time ( and in order to risk that, would have to believe that Kane raped her so they'd be ok with that part of it too) just so good ol' Patty Kane can walk is stretching the limits. He's not Whitey fucking Bulger.

No, its not close to 9/11 Conspiracy levels

He has a cop in this crew and a cop may have tampered with the case in Kane's favor. Its actually really simplistic.

Your going way beyond that simple theory.


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Beardown wrote:
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Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?


No. You're missing it. Somebody in the department delivered it to her door as a way to expose the crime. That person was a good guy. The lawyer thanked him or her.
They said it was found in the trash and the good samaritan delivered it. So if Kingpins henchmen had access to it to that point , why not make it disappear altogether instead of tossing it where it could be found?

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It would have to be more than just a cop. You'd have to get a medical guy from their lab on this to properly take out and put in DNA samples one would think


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badrogue17 wrote:
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Minooka Meatball wrote:
Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?


No. You're missing it. Somebody in the department delivered it to her door as a way to expose the crime. That person was a good guy. The lawyer thanked him or her.
They said it was found in the trash and the good samaritan delivered it. So if Kingpins henchmen had access to it to that point , why not make it disappear altogether instead of tossing it where it could be found?

Perhaps someone in the PD wanted to expose them but didnt want to get Serpico'd so they delivered it to the girl


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@StacyStClair: Patrick Kane atty says that only someone "unhappy with the results" of DNA testing would tamper with evidence.

No shit.


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Did the lawyer say when the bag was delivered to him?

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@StacyStClair: Patrick Kane atty says that only someone "unhappy with the results" of DNA testing would tamper with evidence.

No shit.


Remember when I said the people of Buffalo would do anything to get Kaner back.....well before this....well....thats an example.

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Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?
Any irregularity with evidence helps the defense. Just like the OJ trial.


Even if it supposedly had none of him in around "her"? I suppose they could have wanted to take care of the matter of the bite dna?

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I expect the Committed Indian guys to say that the evil and powerful John McDonough masterminded the whole thing, days after saying that he was a tone-deaf idiot who blew his chance to be the commissioner of the NHL by having such a bad press conference.

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More realistic that Rocky and Hawks would pay someone off than Kane. Wouldn't be the first time a sports organization made something like this go away.


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None of this makes sense. Crazy.

The Blackhawks are going to get rid of him, aren't they?


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Upon hearing today's news

John McDonough: :shock:

Beardown: Yeah, now what "REALLY SMART GUY"?


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badrogue17 wrote:
Beardown wrote:
Minooka Meatball wrote:
Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?


No. You're missing it. Somebody in the department delivered it to her door as a way to expose the crime. That person was a good guy. The lawyer thanked him or her.
They said it was found in the trash and the good samaritan delivered it. So if Kingpins henchmen had access to it to that point , why not make it disappear altogether instead of tossing it where it could be found?


If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed and that is not an unusual place to find it?


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None of this makes sense. Crazy.

The Blackhawks are going to get rid of him, aren't they?

No


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Upon hearing today's news

John McDonough: :shock:

Beardown: Yeah, now what "REALLY SMART GUY"?

John McDonough: Off to fix the Bears, Bye!


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Tad Queasy wrote:
badrogue17 wrote:
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Minooka Meatball wrote:
Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?


No. You're missing it. Somebody in the department delivered it to her door as a way to expose the crime. That person was a good guy. The lawyer thanked him or her.
They said it was found in the trash and the good samaritan delivered it. So if Kingpins henchmen had access to it to that point , why not make it disappear altogether instead of tossing it where it could be found?


If this bag was found in the trash, is it possible that the bags are discarded once the contents have been processed?

As a watcher of several police shows.....No way


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I expect the Committed Indian guys to say that the evil and powerful John McDonough masterminded the whole thing, days after saying that he was a tone-deaf idiot who blew his chance to be the commissioner of the NHL by having such a bad press conference.

Im guessing Scotty Bowman used all of his old Buffalo contacts to muck this up. Im sure Obama had some input as well.

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Spaulding wrote:
None of this makes sense. Crazy.

The Blackhawks are going to get rid of him, aren't they?


Nobody would trade for him now. But he needs to be on paid suspended leave as of right now until this is over. If it's the entire season, so be it.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Yeah, I don't see if the Buffalo police were in on some kind of conspiracy to take the heat off Kane, why would they then subsequently deliver the "rape kit eveidence bag" to the alleged victim's mother's house? Wouldn't that kind of, I don't know, blow their conspiracy cover?
Any irregularity with evidence helps the defense. Just like the OJ trial.


Even if it supposedly had none of him in around "her"? I suppose they could have wanted to take care of the matter of the bite dna?
Yes. The lack of dna in the rape kit was not proof that he was innocent. However, irregularities with the collection of evidence brings the whole investigation into question.

Kane's lawyers can point to this to help establish a reasonable doubt if it goes to trial. How can we trust any of the dna evidence?

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