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PostPosted: Sun Oct 04, 2015 5:23 pm 
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He's 33 and he is good!

And some teams are really having kicking problems! Talking game changing issues.

You can find a kicker on the scrap heap...they found Gould on the scrap heap.

And I think you actually might be able to get a decent pick for him....the guy is carrying some value these days.

Let me also add, his contract will be coming up again.,...and his family is going to need to eat again....are you going to make him the highest paid kicker in the league? if so, great, if not....look for what you can get....

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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I'd open up the roster to the entire league.

Make us an offer on anybody.


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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Matches Malone wrote:
I'd open up the roster to the entire league.

Make us an offer on anybody.


Watching some teams , like the Eagles today and I know Pitt has had some troubles. I think the tradeline is around week 8 which might be a bit too early to determine your team is in dire needs of a good kicker.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Josh Scobee and the numerous other teams that have shitty kickers cycle through constantly are evidence enough you shouldn't trade a consistently good kicker who could easily play until he's 40. It also renders this another of many stupid Bears thoughts. Congratulations.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Pittsburgh would probably give a percentage of their franchise for a guy like Gould.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Josh Scobee and the numerous other teams that have shitty kickers cycle through constantly are evidence enough you shouldn't trade a consistently good kicker who could easily play until he's 40. It also renders this another of many stupid Bears thoughts. Congratulations.

:lol:

You should probably post less dumb thoughts if you want to ridicule others for dumb thoughts. The Scobee trade is an example of why you get a pick for an aging kicker, not why you don't.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Yes. Trade him for any pick you can get.
If Jacksonville is silly enough to think they are good, they could use a kicker after today also. :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Josh Scobee and the numerous other teams that have shitty kickers cycle through constantly are evidence enough you shouldn't trade a consistently good kicker who could easily play until he's 40. It also renders this another of many stupid Bears thoughts. Congratulations.


Why, so we can go 3-13...instead of 1-15 for the next 2 years.....

Gould is the 3rd highest paid kicker. Signed through 2017...so in 2018 he will ask for the most, at $4.5 M...probably a 4 year deal, accepting a 3 year.

Or, you go and extend him now.

Please have had a history of contract squabbles ith long time players. Things that just shouldnt get out, often do. They are often played out in the media and public, when they shouldnt be.

I am OK with Gould being here until he is 40, assuming he is effective. then you pay him NOW, as I assume going into next year, you have some serious cap space, so eat it up now.

IF, you arent going to do this....and think, you can find a kicker....then trade him.

I will use the Quasim Mitchell bonus payment one year as an example. Angelo didnt know if the guy would turn out to be a good LT or not, but he paid him a $1 M bonus in his current contract year because the Bears had the money under the cap and IF the guy worked out, the contract would be huge, so this way they lock him up for 2 years.

It didnt work out, but was a solid financial move....which is what they should be looking at right now with any player they expect to have here in 2 years.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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one thing i gotta give robbie gould is that he added some serious legstrength. i remember when he first showed up lovie wouldn't use him over ~49yds, but if you watched his kicks today he had distance to go 60+ on the 54 and 49 yarders. remember when his kickoffs were a problem? not anymore. and he's got plenty of leg in the 50s.

i say keep him around cuz its one part of the team the last 2 regimes didnt manage to fuck up. he's your best shot at a bears lifer on this team. seriously who's the next mannelly if not gould?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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one thing i gotta give robbie gould is that he added some serious legstrength. i remember when he first showed up lovie wouldn't use him over ~49yds, but if you watched his kicks today he had distance to go 60+ on the 54 and 49 yarders. remember when his kickoffs were a problem? not anymore. and he's got plenty of leg in the 50s.

i say keep him around cuz its one part of the team the last 2 regimes didnt manage to fuck up. he's your best shot at a bears lifer on this team. seriously who's the next mannelly if not gould?


Hows this...I WANT TO KEEP HIM AROUND.

But that choice should be made now. He really is the only guy you want to lock up, so do it. Yes, he is your new Bob Thomas.

If you dont want to pay him for being the elder statesman and they are going to get into a pissing match, then look into trading him.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Gould compared himself to Jordan after the game.

That guy...

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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The guy who replaced Gould when he was injured did a fine job. Trade Cutler first.

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Gould compared himself to Jordan after the game.

That guy...

Brian Jordan?
Eddie?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Gould compared himself to Jordan after the game.

That guy...



At golf I hope

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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Gould compared himself to Jordan after the game.

That guy...

Brian Jordan?
Eddie?


The River Jordan?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Dr. Kenneth Noisewater wrote:
Gould compared himself to Jordan after the game.

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At golf I hope


Big time players make big time plays. They always want the ball.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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What can we get for him?

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Josh Scobee and the numerous other teams that have shitty kickers cycle through constantly are evidence enough you shouldn't trade a consistently good kicker who could easily play until he's 40. It also renders this another of many stupid Bears thoughts. Congratulations.

:lol:

You should probably post less dumb thoughts if you want to ridicule others for dumb thoughts. The Scobee trade is an example of why you get a pick for an aging kicker, not why you don't.


Hmm in regards to Scobee I forgot he was traded. That being said, selling Gould seems sort of meaningless to me. Just my two cents.

And I enjoy ridiculing others for dumb thoughts because it seems like some folks just need to be told that knee-jerk reactions and full blown despair should not be the norm. There are good fans here, smart fans, but when the hivemind trends toward an annual rebuild, it's a problem.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Its not a knee jerk reaction. Its a though of what will happen years in advance.

You can try out 50 guys between now and then and probably save $3 Mill against the cap and find a guy. As I said, we found Gould on the junker heap....so it can be done.

Or, if you wan to make him the elder spokesperson of the team until he is 40, go ahead, put his money against the cap now...or trade him.

Its the kind of proactive thinking that rarely comes out of Halas Hall.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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Its not a knee jerk reaction. Its a though of what will happen years in advance.

You can try out 50 guys between now and then and probably save $3 Mill against the cap and find a guy. As I said, we found Gould on the junker heap....so it can be done.

Or, if you wan to make him the elder spokesperson of the team until he is 40, go ahead, put his money against the cap now...or trade him.

Its the kind of proactive thinking that rarely comes out of Halas Hall.


I see. My apologies if I'm touchy today, I'm just irritated from people who were going to get angry about the Bears win or lose. I just don't know how to deal with that.

It sounds silly since he just won the team a game, not to mention from 49 yards out with a ball being held by a guy who was sitting at home last week. I guess the larger point I should make is that the team has enough special teams problems as it is, and while Gould isn't Mr. Kickoff this season, he's not worth the 6th or 7th rounder you'd get for him, PLUS this isn't a 4 or 5 year "plan." I think the Bears legitimately want to and could be competitive next season and potentially playoff-caliber in 2017; timelines that satisfy Gould not being ancient and broken down.

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 Post subject: Re: Trade Gould?
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but he is a construction worker that needs to feed his kids...

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There is absolutely no evidence that Gould has ever used PEDs. I have no idea where you guys get that info.

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Saints just expanded the trade market :lol:

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why is it he makes all his 50+ yard kicks with distance that could have gone 60+, but he cant kick a god damn touchback to save this abysmal coverage teams the effort of trying to cover kicks


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but he is a construction worker that needs to feed his kids...

Right, cant find another one of those guys.

You would think with all the kids pushed into Soccer, you could find one that can kick!

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Gould will still be playing 5 years from now when this rebuild will (hopefully) be over. If Pittsburgh offers a 2nd for him OBVIOUSLY but that won't happen so keep him.


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He's 33 and he is good!

And some teams are really having kicking problems! Talking game changing issues.

You can find a kicker on the scrap heap...they found Gould on the scrap heap.

And I think you actually might be able to get a decent pick for him....the guy is carrying some value these days.

Let me also add, his contract will be coming up again.,...and his family is going to need to eat again....are you going to make him the highest paid kicker in the league? if so, great, if not....look for what you can get....


Define a decent pick.....Myself, I would be happy to take a 5th round pick for a kicker. This team should be in total rebuild mode. By the time they are good again, Gould will no longer be a top kicker.

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Gould will still be playing 5 years from now when this rebuild will (hopefully) be over. If Pittsburgh offers a 2nd for him OBVIOUSLY but that won't happen so keep him.


Rebuilds in the NFL don't take five years. That's an eternity in the NFL. A RB five years into his career is already a mid-career professional in the NFL as opposed to just entering the prime of his career, as similarly aged NBA or MLB player would be. The MLB/NBA "rebuild" model doesn't apply in the NFL.

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