He has a 0.2 VORP. Dude is a stud!

Rose has the worst VORP on the team. Nice. One of the worst in the league.

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I am not a Rose defender, but he has been playing with one eye this year.

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One eye and no heart. He has refused to play defense on even one play.

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Does Doug have a big enough sample size or that doesn't matter all the time Stat Ass?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

You either don't understand VORP or don't recognize my sarcasm. A 0.2 VORP is nothing special at this point of the season. And yes, it is also a very small sample size.

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And you wonder why the name Bernstein gets invoked by me as a source of basketball information and analysis. This is exactly what he'd do in order to demonstrate that a guy is good/bad. Analytics, analytics, analytics. WATCH.THE.GAME. He is not a bum. Not an All Star but he is proving that he belongs in the NBA. He is proving that he can be a solid bench guy at the very least.

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Why limit access to information? Why can't you both watch games and keep track of statistics? Don't you want to be an educated fan? There are thousands of idiot fans - I'd rather not throw my hat in with them.

I couldn't care less what names you invoke.

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I think he is proving he can be a solid bench guy at the most, which is what most of us predicted on draft night. You can't start a player who's that bad defensively, and that one dimensional offensively. He might turn out to be a decent 3 point specialist off the bench. That's his ceiling.

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Yup. We were right.

Hussra was wrong.

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You do not talk to me like that! I work too hard to deal with this stuff! I work too hard! I'm an important member of the CSFMB! I drive a Dodge Stratus!

The #5 pick a solid bench guy is a failure

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

11th pick, but they traded up so it's a bit worse too. Bad pick.

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I'm pretty sure Gar Forman and John Paxson have been actively trying to get fired for at least a few years now.

I disagree with FF here and there about the NBA, bu I'm fairly sure he would be a better GM.

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It's still early. Kyle Korver was an all star last yr. I think McDermott will be better than Kyle Korver at some point.

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Trading up makes it look a little worse than it actually may be. I don't see any guys drafted later than McDermott that I can definitively say will be better. Draft position is only relative to the guys that are available to be drafted. The draft last yr is proving to be vastly overrated. I don't think Paxson really missed out on much in retrospect.

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Analytics are bad if you use them as a supplement but you use them as a go to for every situation.

That's how you end up providing such nuggets as Etwaun Moore: point guard. Watching the game and seeing some of the worst ball handling in the league from him tells me a coach would be a damn fool to put that dude at point. Man to man ball pressure gives him the flux.

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I wanted Gary Harris last year, and still think he's going to be a good player and better than Doug. Jusuf Nurkic is another guy who I would bet money on to have a better career than McDermott. In general, I agree with you on last year's draft and lack of talent after McDermott, though.

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I checked for Harris a little bit also. I think there are 2-3 guys that may turn out to better but I don't think McDermott will be a flop either.

I wasn't in favor of the trade. I thought Paxson should have kept the 2 picks. I think that McDermott will be able to score and the Bulls needed that. He also looks better when he is out there with the starters. Brooks, Taj, and Moore look for their own shot too much and there is not a lot of ball movement when they are on the floor together.


I thought Levine has a chance to be better also. His I.Q. stinks though.

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You better not watch tomorrow night then.

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How in the fuck can this guy not be an All-Star?

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I'm going to bounce from the spot for awhile but I will be back at some point to argue with you about this hoops stuff again. Playoffs have been great this season. See ya up the road.

I'm out.

Just doesn't seem to fit the board's narrative about the guy.

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Sorry man. I was defending Dougie since draft day. Don't try and steal my win here.

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That is a fluff piece. It avoids talking actual results and numbers in favor of 'mental fortitude' and 'confidence.' Give me a break. Nick Friedell uses articles like those to build relationships with the player and the coach to get more stories down the line. Make everyone feel great. I'd call it Journalism 101 but I'm fairly sure it is common sense that doesn't need to be taught.

McDermott has put together three above average games. Yet as it happens, his FG% has been consistently declining as the season goes on. At its current pace...he will once again be a 40% shooter that offers absolutely no value in any other stat line. Teams will still rather McDermott shoot than Butler and others. He will get opportunities because defenders should rightly be more worried about other players on the floor.

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Disagree. To say his percentage has been declining isn't really saying much. He was shooting 54% from three earlier in the year. Its bound to decline. He isn't going to be a 40% shooter ever. He shoots too well and he takes good shots. IMU you have to be a little more consistent.

You championed the Jamal Crawford cause. He has shot 40% for his career with very little defense and you called Paxson and idiot for letting the guy walk.

Teams rarely leave the guy so I don't know how you can say that they would rather let him shoot than Butler. At some point in his career McDermott will be in a three point contest. Is the relationship game any different than what Cowley did with Thibodeau? Or any different than the hit job that Van Gundy did on the org. on behalf of Thibs?
The guy is playing better and its obvious he should have been playing last year.

In the meantime How is that Etwaun Moore working out for you? Those DNP-CDs should be appearing next to his name with a much greater deal of frequency right about now. I'm sure Hoiberg will be referred to as an idiot for not playing him.

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There is too much shit in there to respond to it all. Your desperation to "1-Up" members on this board is your number one failing. If you actually waited until you had a valid "Gotcha!" you could be a fun poster. Instead, you're The Boy Who Cried Gotcha every time you quote a post. And they're all reaches.

So I'll respond to the Jamal Crawford and McDermott shooting comp. You said McDermott will never shoot 40%. He shot 40% last season. There was a specific reason why I said he will "once again be a 40% shooter." It wasn't an arbitrary number.

Secondly, I pointed out that McDermott's only value is as a spot up shooter. Jamal Crawford was / is a much different scorer. He does shoot threes, yes, but he isn't a "sharpshooter." He would cut and get to the basket...or iso a guy and then jump back for an open shot. He could create a shot...even in desperation and when no other player is able to make something happen. Again - I'm not even a Jamal Crawford fan. I've made this abundantly clear. He has had more of a positive impact in the NBA than Ben Gordon did. That is all. And if the Bulls GM had to pick between those three players for the team, the answer would be fire the GM.

If basketball was solely about hitting open shots, I'd be pretty good in the NBA! I wouldn't have to worry about stupid things like defense, rebounds, passing, or advanced dribbling.

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If you don't think that Ben Gordon was a valuable member of the Bulls then you simply don't know basketball. His career fizzled once he left the Bulls but that Detroit situation was a train wreck. That was one of the top 3 worst franchises in the NBA during his time there.

As far as Crawford goes he was and is an NBA loser. He has never made any team in the NBA better. You advocated for him staying with the Bulls until you were informed that he wasn't really that good then you began to do the Ali shuffle. Actually I don't recall you ever saying that you don't like Crawford until now.

As Far as McDermott the guy is proving that he belongs. I think the trib also ran an article about how well he is playing too. You are probably going to disagree with that writer also? You can't simply cherry pick the stats that support your argument and discredit the ones that don't support your claims i.e. Shooting percentages dropping every game. A 40% shooting percentage during a season in which he rarely played is too small of a sample size to suggest that he is a bad shooter. You also made the false claim that Butler is a better shooter? in what universe is that. Without analytics you struggle to make any points that even remotely make sense.


i like the banter obviously and anyone that talks hoops on here is fine by me. You have up your game a little though.

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I never called Butler a better "shooter." But he is clearly a better scorer than McDermott, and teams will prevent Butler from shooting / driving / isolating over McDermott. It is just a basic fact. The guy guarding Butler isn't going to help on McDermott. Sorry. Just won't happen unless defensive rotations break down terribly.

Why would I like Jamal Crawford if I never liked Ben Gordon, Carmelo Anthony, JR Smith or any other scrub "grab the ball, put up as many shots as possible and play little defense" player? I don't hate Ben Gordon. I hate his style of basketball. It isn't winning basketball.

You never addressed why Jamal Crawford won Sixth Man twice and sucks but Ben Gordon won it once and is awesome.

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I was comparing their respective careers as Bulls players. The reason i give Gordon the edge is because the Bulls improved the day he entered the league. There are some other factors but he played a major role in the improvement of the team. They made the playoffs his rookie year. Conversely during Crawford time they never came close to making the playoffs. Neither did the Knicks for that matter. Gordon's arrival coincided with Crawford's departure so it can be argued that the Bulls became better just by subtracting Crawford from the team.

You are contradicting yourself by stating that Paxson is an idiot for allowing Crawford without compensation one hand, then stating that Crawford isn't really good or you don't like Crawford as a player on the other. Choose a lane. That may be the reason why Paxson allowed him to walk without compensation don't you think?

Crawford has been the better player in the latter half of their careers, but Ben Gordon's tenure with the Bulls are better than any 4 years of Crawford's career. That is my point. Gordon was a better playoff performer also. There is a reason that Crawford has been on 6 or 7 teams during his career. the Clippers have had the guy on the block for about the last year and the half and can't find any takers. As far as 6th man goes he has two wins to Gordon's one. Steve Nash has 2 MVPs to Kobe's one does that make him a better player also. Crawford's time with Bulls was awful. Both he and the team were bad. He was a shoot first guy that took bad shots and couldn't defend. His time with the Knicks was similar. Didn't make the playoffs until his 9th year in the league. Didn't even get close.

Lastly you said that teams would rather watch McDermottr shoot than Butler. that implies that teams think Butler is a better shooter than McDermott He isn't.

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Ben Gordon is a poor mans Jamal Crawford, he is closing in on 20k points. Pax is an idiot for drafting Gordon, an idiot for offering him 55million.. And an idiot for letting Crawford walk.

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