Both. Please.

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Other than "not being able to sign LBJ," what flaws do you see in Paxson that would prevent him from turning the Bulls into a championship team.

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All 3 should be gone, it's just not going to happen.

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Paxson holds onto his talent for far too long. Particularly guys that he has drafted. He falls in love with them and it prevents him from being objective at trade time. Paxson has not made a "blockbuster" trade in 13 years as GM. Not one. His trades are either salary dumps or involve meaningless draft picks. He has had tradeable assets and refuses to trade them. Mike Dunleavy should not been resigned. They could have gotten younger and more athletic at the wing position. Instead he chose to sign a guy that is on the back nine of his career and scheduled to have major surgery.

He also plays it safe at draft time. He was burned by Thomas and thus he refuses to draft "upside" guys. He doesn't draft guys with high ceilings. He tends to draft guys that will be solid pros as opposed to guys with so called enormous potential.

Its hard to acquire top talent via free agency. Top guys don't tend to move because the system is not designed for them to move. I don't fault him for failing to sign top tier free agents because most top tier guys resign with their own team.

Now he doesn't have anything that will bring back something other than Butler. The Bulls don't have tradeable assets.

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Well said.

I can't think of another major market team that would have not fired Paxson and or Beaker by now.

Houston seems determined to hang on to Daryl Morey no matter how many times the Rockets spit the bit.

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They were in the conference Finals last year.

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Would you disagree that he's probably going to overstay his welcome if he hasn't already? Because that's the vibe I get. He seems like a bit of a charlatan to me.

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This probably won't make a lot of sense, but I both agree with your last sentence, and disagree that he should be fired. I think he definitely oversells the importance of only evaluating players based on analytics, and would hope he doesn't completely buy into his own bullshit. That said, I think he's done an above average job and deserves to see this thing through that he built. IIRC, they weren't doing so hot when he got there while transitioning from the Yao/Tmac era to the current one. I would be happy if the Bulls replaced GarPax with Morey this offseason if that was a possibility.

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Morey seems like the opposite of Garpax in that he makes moves just for the sake of making moves rather than standing pat until such moves become impossible. I'm not necessarily sure I'd want him or even regard him as above average, but I think he deserves at least a bit of credit for the limited success he's had in a far tougher conference.

Yeah I think Morey did what everyone else tries to do - create a nucleus of stars. Houston was a wasteland following Tmac aging out of super stardom and Yao retiring. Acquiring a 23 year old or whatever star was a MAJOR coup for Houston. Pairing him with Howard hasn't gone as well as expected, but it was the right idea/vision. His selection of coaches has been odd.

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I'm not saying Kevin McHale is the best coach ever, but chucking him like 14 games into the year seemed foolish to me, and a little disrespectful.

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Fair to say but I was never a fan anyway of his coaching, so I may be less understanding I guess.

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quote="leashyourkids"]

Ha. No. Have you ever seen that Dream Team documentary? They talk about how Jordan was so obsessed with competition that he only slept a couple hours a night when they were in Barcelona. He would play cards till 3 or 4, sleep until 7 or 8, wake up, play 18 or 36 holes of golf, and then go to practice or the game. Repeat every day. He wouldn't even understand Rose.[/quote]




Yep guys like Jordan seem to be fewer and fewer. Jordan even took practice very seriously. Him and Rose are polar opposites. Jordan the king of understanding the media, Rose the clueless one, Rose the wimp, Jordan the assassin.

It was a privilege watching Jordan and Rose is nothing more than a disgrace to the uniform.

Morey should be IMU's favorite GM. Real heavy into the analytics game. Has that crazy philosophy regarding 3 point shots. Doesn't want a shot unless it's a 3 pointer or a layup. Mid range and long twos are a no go.

He tends to think big but the Howard signing has been largely a flop. Dwight Howard has not delivered.

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Agreed. It might even be down to one.

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A lot of times I can't tell if you are serious or not. His "crazy theory" regarding 3 pointers is not an original theory, and it's not crazy at all.

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It's crazy because the theory historically has been to take the best available shot. It doesn't matter if it's a three or a two. One of the things ruining today's basketball is the over emphasis on the 3 point shots. They take far too many 3's.

Morey is a big proponent of this philosophy and it's one of the reasons that Dwight Howard has under achieved. I never said he created the theory. Those are your words. It is crazy unless you have shooters like Curry and Thompson. Jump shooting dominated teams never won until last season so yes it really is crazy. You probably count Dallas as a jump shooting team. if so that'd be two.

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2014 Spurs count as jump shooting, so that's 3. And the Spurs teams even starting as far back as 7-8 years ago were the leading pioneers of recognizing the value of 3 point shooting and defending the 3 point shot. And they had shooters like Bruce Bowen, not Steph Curry.

Just looking for the most open shot is a bad philosophy. It's purposely ignoring other available data that can lead to a more informed decision/shot. This isn't complicated.

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So the Spurs won the NBA championship based upon the three point shooting of Bruce Bowen? Tony Parker wasn't much of a three point shooter. Actually he was one of the best mid range shooters in the league. That is a huge stretch and it is just plain wrong.

Shot selection is the most important component of shooting and jacking up 3's merely for the sake up jacking up 3's is foolish. That's why Mirotic, Jamal Crawford and guys like that always shoot low percentages.

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http://espn.go.com/nba/hollinger/teamst ... ctiveFGPct

The three point shot and a team's success at using it wisely without letting it kill your offense is a huge factor on success in the modern NBA.

You know what the Bulls' offense consists of in 2015-16? Chucking up as many shots as possible while relying on good rebounders in Gasol, Taj, Butler, Mirotic and previously Noah.

Look at any numbers that judge the efficiency or skill of an offense and Chicago plummets.

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I kept hitting submit.

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That is what you implied. If you are going to say "they had jump shooters then that's foolish because every team has jump shooters. Teams that don't win championships have jump shooters.

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That is what you implied. If you are going to say "they had jump shooters then that's foolish because every team has jump shooters. Teams that don't win championships have jump shooters.

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I didn't imply that the Spurs won a title because of the shooting of Bruce Bowen. The fact that you inferred that leads me to reach the same conclusion many others have: that you're not worth discussing the NBA with.

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Eliminating the long two probably isn't a bad idea. I remember reading something on Grantland about how the Pelicans had a pretty good thing going with Anthony Davis and a very heavy reliance on two-point shots. Dunno if that's still the case with Gentry there now.

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I'm not just referencing the Bulls. I'm speaking in general. Teams are taking 25-30 3's per game on avg. It seems. The NBA used to avg. About 5 threes per game during the 80's. Scoring was up then because guys took the best available shot. They got layups on fast breaks, not spot 3's from the corner. That was considered a bad shot then.

It was unheard of to shoot a 3 pointer on a fast break. You'd be subbed out of the game for doing that dumb shit. Good shots are good shots. The NBA has definitely fallen in love with the 3 but I don't know of its necessarily a good thing.

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In the 1980s, teams were much worse at shooting the 3 point shot. Team averages were hovering around 30%. eFG%'s were lower, and teams attempted more shots overall in the 1980's. 1980's players missed MORE than current NBA players do. So much for taking the best shots.

Source: logic.

And http://www.basketball-reference.com/lea ... stats.html

Look at those Pace ratings... teams didn't run set offenses at all. Shoot, shoot, and shoot some more. They weren't looking for good shots. They were looking for any shot. Also look at the Turnover Ratio.

Holy shit the 1980's had some ugly basketball.

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