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I don't remember the pre Ditka years all that well. There are some ambiguous images in my mind of Neil Armstrong and Bob Thomas making a field goal to get them into the playoffs. However, I didn't exist in the sixties and wasn't paying attention in the 70s.

I believe this year will be the low point.

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Late 90s. All the pieces are in place.

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Late 90s. All the pieces are in place.


This

It feels like 97/98 all over again...

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I actually thought the Trestman era would be the low point. We'll see.


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I actually thought the Trestman era would be the low point. We'll see.

Yeah, I was gonna say I thought we asked this question three and then two seasons ago.

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This is the low point for me because years of mismanagement have killed my enjoyment of and interest in a team I used to love.

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I actually thought the Trestman era would be the low point. We'll see.

Yeah, I was gonna say I thought we asked this question three and then two seasons ago.


although disapointing, this still feels better than the final month of the trestman clown show.


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I think it will be for most. The Cutler fatigue has set in on everyone. A fresh start will be good.

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It was two years ago.

Since then, the franchise has just been lying to themselves thinking they actually had a pro team on the field. At least now they have seemed to embrace that they suck.

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I don't remember the pre Ditka years all that well. There are some ambiguous images in my mind of Neil Armstrong and Bob Thomas making a field goal to get them into the playoffs. However, I didn't exist in the sixties and wasn't paying attention in the 70s.

I believe this year will be the low point.


The Bob Thomas game was a Jack Pardee joint. Then they got throttled by Dorsett and Newhouse.

Neill with 2 Ls made the playoffs also but also got taken down by Jaworski and the exceptionally tall Harold Carmichael.

But, even those years you could enjoy a Neill Armstrong show with the table-top telestrator and Jeannie Morris shooting evil eyes at Johnny.

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I really don't think the team would be that bad if it wasn't this decimated by injuries.

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I really don't think the team would be that bad if it wasn't this decimated by injuries.


I'm inclined to agree, but the 2nd half against Houston, with most everyone healthy, was really bad.

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[ the exceptionally tall Harold Carmichael..


I believe Cosell would call him "the angular"

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I started following football around 1970 or so. I was around for the end of the Jim Dooley regime and the start of the Abe Gibron regime. There is no way I can include the Fox era amongst those two.....not yet!

Also,I'm still pissed by the 1979 playoff loss to the Eagles that included a phantom fumble by Payton.

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Yes, because of my Cutler loathing and disgust at Ryan/Fox combination, when the hire of a GM in his mid 30s seemed destined for failure. He isn't a Wunderkind like Theo, as is obvious now.

Even Trestman was not the low for me. Previous low was 1999-2000 with the John Shoop offense of never throwing down-field and of course, the stellar QB play of Cade McNown. The Bears managed just three wins that season. Pure football hell that was.


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I got there the last Trestman season. I haven't recovered yet. Between the Bears and ND this year, football is on hospice in my sports world right now.

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This isn't my low point because I don't care anymore.

I would say the most devastated I've been was every time Mike Brown got hurt. That always crushed me because they were so good with him.

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I've moved into indifference. I thought the Trestman era was the low point, and I just don't care as much anymore. Actually the NFL as a whole has kind of lost me the last few years.

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Actually the NFL as a whole has kind of lost me the last few years.


This should be a thread by itself.

Reasons:

1. Tom Brady Deflategate
2. Ray Rice Gate
3. CTE and related deaths.
4. Overboard Peyton Manning Worship
5. Unimpactful 1st Round Drafts (e.g. Clowney)
6. Bad Chicago Bears and Miami Football
7. Cam Newton's Fashion
8. Favre's Retirement
9. Superbowl Blowouts (Seattle v. Denver)

Feel free to add.


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Dignified Rube wrote:
Apologist wrote:
Actually the NFL as a whole has kind of lost me the last few years.


This should be a thread by itself.

Reasons:

1. Tom Brady Deflate Scandal
2. Ray Rice Gate
3. CTE and related deaths.
4. Overboard Peyton Manning Worship
5. Unimpactful 1st Round Drafts (e.g. Clowney)
6. Bad Chicago Bears and Miami Football
7. Cam Newton
8. Favre's Retirement

Feel free to add.


Number and severity of Injuries
Players retiring early
The parity gets old after awhile (especially when the Bears continue to be awful)

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I'm not trying to take credit for being the first to say this, but I really do think the NFL has peaked. Quality of play has been trickling off the last few seasons, and realization of serious brain injury post career is not a good indicator for the long term aspirations of the league.

Plus, fuck Roger Goodell and the greedy owners who prop him up.

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Also, in turn College Football has become more entertaining for me. Idk why.

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I've moved into indifference. I thought the Trestman era was the low point, and I just don't care as much anymore. Actually the NFL as a whole has kind of lost me the last few years.

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Fantasy football and gambling will keep the NFL popular regardless of how bad the product on the field is.

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Fantasy football and gambling will keep the NFL popular regardless of how bad the product on the field is.

You're probably right Hank. Speaking of that, I gotta go check out some possible lineups for Fanduel now. Thanks for the reminder.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Fantasy football and gambling will keep the NFL popular regardless of how bad the product on the field is.


While true it is making it less watchable for me. Due to FF and the misconception that offense is what keeps the ratings up there is a fricking pass interference call all the damn time. To me is seems to be getting worse and not better with all this ticky tac stuff.

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Hank Scorpio wrote:
Fantasy football and gambling will keep the NFL popular regardless of how bad the product on the field is.

Thinking about this more, I think the popularity has peaked, and the quality of play is dipping. I don't think the sport will do an absolute nose dive any time soon. The marketing is too good, and ESPN/NFL Network will always have a place for football fanatics.

The brain injury problem makes me hesitant to push a son to play football like my dad to me, and the lack of quality product will inevitably hurt ticket sales.

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leashyourkids wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Apologist wrote:
Actually the NFL as a whole has kind of lost me the last few years.


This should be a thread by itself.

Reasons:

1. Tom Brady Deflate Scandal
2. Ray Rice Gate
3. CTE and related deaths.
4. Overboard Peyton Manning Worship
5. Unimpactful 1st Round Drafts (e.g. Clowney)
6. Bad Chicago Bears and Miami Football
7. Cam Newton
8. Favre's Retirement

Feel free to add.


Number and severity of Injuries
Players retiring early
The parity gets old after awhile (especially when the Bears continue to be awful)

There's like 5 guys out of 1500 that retired early :lol:

Not sure there's a lot of parity currently either.

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FavreFan wrote:
leashyourkids wrote:
Dignified Rube wrote:
Apologist wrote:
Actually the NFL as a whole has kind of lost me the last few years.


This should be a thread by itself.

Reasons:

1. Tom Brady Deflate Scandal
2. Ray Rice Gate
3. CTE and related deaths.
4. Overboard Peyton Manning Worship
5. Unimpactful 1st Round Drafts (e.g. Clowney)
6. Bad Chicago Bears and Miami Football
7. Cam Newton
8. Favre's Retirement

Feel free to add.


Number and severity of Injuries
Players retiring early
The parity gets old after awhile (especially when the Bears continue to be awful)

There's like 5 guys out of 1500 that retired early :lol:

Not sure there's a lot of parity currently either.



There's only 5 undefeated teams through three weeks.

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I agree with leash and Phil Collins, I don't care anymore. So much so that I might find a new time to root for.

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