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Rick, let's say Watson and Kizer inexplicably go 1 and 2. You passing on Garrett and Allen and taking the Tribusky kid from NC?
It would depend on just how highly rated he is.

Obviously, you'd have to think about your options if you were presented the #1 non-QB in a draft when you already are getting the third best QB. I used to qualify my stance by saying "within reason" but no one seemed to understand what that meant so I started saying "first round grade".

If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is ranked the 32nd prospect in the draft then I would not draft him third in that scenario. I would however find a way to get him or a comparable talent.

If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is a top ten talent at that point then I take him. However, I expect him to fall in the draft process.

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Let's say your scouts have him ranked around 25 overall on your board.

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Let's say your scouts have him ranked around 25 overall on your board.
In that case I would trade down and get some extra picks and still get him.

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Fair enough. Seems crazy to me to pass on Garrett there. I can't imagine that'll actually happen though.

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You take a guy who an immediate, no-doubt starter at #3 or you trade the pick. That trade should include at least the other teams #1 pick in 2017 AND 2018.


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Fair enough. Seems crazy to me to pass on Garrett there. I can't imagine that'll actually happen though.
You would get a lot in return in that scenario though which would make it worth it.

It's great to have Jadeveon Clowney but when your quarterback situation is a mess your ceiling is playoff fodder for a team with an elite quarterback.

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Fair enough. Seems crazy to me to pass on Garrett there. I can't imagine that'll actually happen though.
You would get a lot in return in that scenario though which would make it worth it.

It's great to have Jadeveon Clowney but when your quarterback situation is a mess your ceiling is playoff fodder for a team with an elite quarterback.

So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?

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So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd rather have Derek Carr over him though.

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So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd rather have Derek Carr over him though.

I'm sure they would too. When did Carr get drafted?

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So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd rather have Derek Carr over him though.

I'm sure they would too. When did Carr get drafted?
Near the start of the 2nd round.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd rather have Derek Carr over him though.

I'm sure they would too. When did Carr get drafted?
Near the start of the 2nd round.


Just to clarify, was he a first round quarterback?

Circle Y or N


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So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd rather have Derek Carr over him though.

I'm sure they would too. When did Carr get drafted?
Near the start of the 2nd round.


Just to clarify, was he a first round quarterback?

Circle Y or N
N.

My favorite quarterback of all time was a second round quarterback.

I'll take my chances with a first round quarterback though. If Pace pulls off giving every team a chance to pass on a quarterback and he ends up a star I'll be very happy.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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So you grab Clowney and then get a QB next round or next year. I don't think the Texans would trade Clowney for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky right now. Do you?
I don't know about that. I'm sure they'd rather have Derek Carr over him though.

I'm sure they would too. When did Carr get drafted?
Near the start of the 2nd round.


Just to clarify, was he a first round quarterback?

Circle Y or N
N.

My favorite quarterback of all time was a second round quarterback.

I'll take my chances with a first round quarterback though. If Pace pulls off giving every team a chance to pass on a quarterback and he ends up a star I'll be very happy.


Brees. He really was a Quarterback that I thought was going to be a superstar in the pros. Just so accurate.

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N.

My favorite quarterback of all time was a second round quarterback.

I'll take my chances with a first round quarterback though. If Pace pulls off giving every team a chance to pass on a quarterback and he ends up a star I'll be very happy.


I guess that's the thing BRick. If you look at the playoff teams, 6 of them got their QB through a first round draft pick (Dolphins, Steelers, Lions, Falcons, Giants, Packers) and the other 6 of them got their QB after the first round (Raiders, Patriots, Seahawks, Cowboys) or through FA/Trade (Chiefs, Texans).

So your chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB the team drafted in the first round are the same as the chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB acquired in some other way than being drafted by the team in the first round.

Nobody wants the Bears to field an offense with no QB. I think the consensus here is that with the #3 pick in the 2017 draft, there isn't a QB worth taking there. I mean honestly, if there isn't a QB that is an obvious selection in the top 3 at this point, anything done at pro days or combines is just propping up someone's value. This is a top 3 pick we are talking about. If it isn't obvious by now that a player, at any position, is worth a top 3 pick today, they probably aren't worth it regardless of what happens in the next 90 days.


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My favorite quarterback of all time was a second round quarterback.

I'll take my chances with a first round quarterback though. If Pace pulls off giving every team a chance to pass on a quarterback and he ends up a star I'll be very happy.


I guess that's the thing BRick. If you look at the playoff teams, 6 of them got their QB through a first round draft pick (Dolphins, Steelers, Lions, Falcons, Giants, Packers) and the other 6 of them got their QB after the first round (Raiders, Patriots, Seahawks, Cowboys) or through FA/Trade (Chiefs, Texans).

So your chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB the team drafted in the first round are the same as the chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB acquired in some other way than being drafted by the team in the first round.

Nobody wants the Bears to field an offense with no QB. I think the consensus here is that with the #3 pick in the 2017 draft, there isn't a QB worth taking there. I mean honestly, if there isn't a QB that is an obvious selection in the top 3 at this point, anything done at pro days or combines is just propping up someone's value. This is a top 3 pick we are talking about. If it isn't obvious by now that a player, at any position, is worth a top 3 pick today, they probably aren't worth it regardless of what happens in the next 90 days.


Carson Wentz was not considered a top 3 pick by analysts at this time last year.

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My favorite quarterback of all time was a second round quarterback.

I'll take my chances with a first round quarterback though. If Pace pulls off giving every team a chance to pass on a quarterback and he ends up a star I'll be very happy.


I guess that's the thing BRick. If you look at the playoff teams, 6 of them got their QB through a first round draft pick (Dolphins, Steelers, Lions, Falcons, Giants, Packers) and the other 6 of them got their QB after the first round (Raiders, Patriots, Seahawks, Cowboys) or through FA/Trade (Chiefs, Texans).

So your chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB the team drafted in the first round are the same as the chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB acquired in some other way than being drafted by the team in the first round.

Nobody wants the Bears to field an offense with no QB. I think the consensus here is that with the #3 pick in the 2017 draft, there isn't a QB worth taking there. I mean honestly, if there isn't a QB that is an obvious selection in the top 3 at this point, anything done at pro days or combines is just propping up someone's value. This is a top 3 pick we are talking about. If it isn't obvious by now that a player, at any position, is worth a top 3 pick today, they probably aren't worth it regardless of what happens in the next 90 days.
50% of the quarterbacks(and it should be 7/12 since Alex Smith is a first round quarterback) is actually a pretty high percentage given how every team gets one pick a year in the first round and it accounts for 7/12 of the quarterbacks in there.

You can find an elite quarterback in rounds 3-7. It happens about once every 5 years and you are probably looking at on average 7-10 quarterbacks drafted in those rounds every year and one will probably hit. You just can't attempt to solve your qb problem with a pick in rounds 3-7 unless you already have a guy and can let him sit for a few years behind him. The Bears could draft a quarterback every year there for the next 3 years and statistically it is unlikely any of them would amount to anything more than a guy like Hoyer.

There really is no argument that a first round quarterback is BY FAR your best chance at getting an elite quarterback. You may fail and you may pass on someone who has a longer career.

I can think of very few teams I am jealous of that don't have elite quarterbacks. I can either hope we get insanely lucky and find a Brady or to a lesser extent Wilson or Prescott(still unproven long term) or I can want the best chance for the Bears to find one. To me, that is in the first round.

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N.

My favorite quarterback of all time was a second round quarterback.

I'll take my chances with a first round quarterback though. If Pace pulls off giving every team a chance to pass on a quarterback and he ends up a star I'll be very happy.


I guess that's the thing BRick. If you look at the playoff teams, 6 of them got their QB through a first round draft pick (Dolphins, Steelers, Lions, Falcons, Giants, Packers) and the other 6 of them got their QB after the first round (Raiders, Patriots, Seahawks, Cowboys) or through FA/Trade (Chiefs, Texans).

So your chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB the team drafted in the first round are the same as the chances of fielding a playoff team with a QB acquired in some other way than being drafted by the team in the first round.

Nobody wants the Bears to field an offense with no QB. I think the consensus here is that with the #3 pick in the 2017 draft, there isn't a QB worth taking there. I mean honestly, if there isn't a QB that is an obvious selection in the top 3 at this point, anything done at pro days or combines is just propping up someone's value. This is a top 3 pick we are talking about. If it isn't obvious by now that a player, at any position, is worth a top 3 pick today, they probably aren't worth it regardless of what happens in the next 90 days.


Carson Wentz was not considered a top 3 pick by analysts at this time last year.


That's my point.


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Watson won't go top 5.

He will be the 3rd QB taken at best.

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I'm preemptively blaming Rick if the Bears pick Watson at #3.



Rick, this is your fault.

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Mock drafts are starting to come out. Seems like there is no consensus on what the Bears are going to do at this point. Interesting that so many people have Watson or Kizer going at 3.

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/nfl-mock ... icks-teams

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Mock drafts are starting to come out. Seems like there is no consensus on what the Bears are going to do at this point. Interesting that so many people have Watson or Kizer going at 3.

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/nfl-mock ... icks-teams


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I'm preemptively blaming Rick if the Bears pick Watson at #3.



Rick, this is your fault.




But he's got a FIRST round grade!!!! :roll:

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Mock drafts are starting to come out. Seems like there is no consensus on what the Bears are going to do at this point. Interesting that so many people have Watson or Kizer going at 3.

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/nfl-mock ... icks-teams




No chance in hell the Bears take a QB @ 3...none.

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Mock drafts are starting to come out. Seems like there is no consensus on what the Bears are going to do at this point. Interesting that so many people have Watson or Kizer going at 3.

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/nfl-mock ... icks-teams




No chance in hell the Bears take a QB @ 3...none.


I hope not. It certainly seems like NFL teams do not know how to identify quarterback talent, which is how Dak lasts until day 3 and Goff goes first overall.

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Mock drafts are starting to come out. Seems like there is no consensus on what the Bears are going to do at this point. Interesting that so many people have Watson or Kizer going at 3.

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/nfl-mock ... icks-teams




No chance in hell the Bears take a QB @ 3...none.

It's the Bears numb nuts. Anything is possible.

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Mock drafts are starting to come out. Seems like there is no consensus on what the Bears are going to do at this point. Interesting that so many people have Watson or Kizer going at 3.

https://www.seccountry.com/sec/nfl-mock ... icks-teams




No chance in hell the Bears take a QB @ 3...none.

It's the Bears numb nuts. Anything is possible.




Lol... True, but I'm assuming they don't reach, I'm expecting Allen or Adams... I really don't see any scenario that the Bears can't grab either..so its a Win Win IMO .

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I've shifted my opinion from definitely take a QB with the 1st round pick to now wait until the 2nd round.

There are too many good defensive players at the top of the draft to reach for a QB at #3.

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PFF's latest mock has (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky going to the Bears. I'd love to see that happen.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft- ... mpaign=nfl

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PFF's latest mock has (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky going to the Bears. I'd love to see that happen.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/draft- ... mpaign=nfl


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Trubiski can make every throw at the NFL level. Why Bears fans hate the idea of him at 3 is beyond me. But yeah, let's draft a shitty QB like Kaaya in round 2, because you know we need another "Matt Barkely"


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