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The idea is Glennon could be good but in a bad situation with that mess of an organization.

So this mess of an organization can unlock his potential!





The idea is bad.



Just re-sign Hoyer and draft a guy with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't overpay for a nobody that looks like a grown up stunt double for the banjo player in Deliverance.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The idea is Glennon could be good but in a bad situation with that mess of an organization.

So this mess of an organization can unlock his potential!





The idea is bad.



Just re-sign Hoyer and draft a guy with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't overpay for a nobody that looks like a grown up stunt double for the banjo player in Deliverance.

Glennon may have a better chance if success over a second round pick and certainly over a third round pick.

It is interesting logic. No QB is worth the third pick in the draft! Let's build around a guy who is much worse than the guy who isn't worth a third round pick!

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NME wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The idea is Glennon could be good but in a bad situation with that mess of an organization.

So this mess of an organization can unlock his potential!





The idea is bad.



Just re-sign Hoyer and draft a guy with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't overpay for a nobody that looks like a grown up stunt double for the banjo player in Deliverance.


Hoyer doesn't have the arm strength to be consistently good in the red zone.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The idea is Glennon could be good but in a bad situation with that mess of an organization.

So this mess of an organization can unlock his potential!





The idea is bad.



Just re-sign Hoyer and draft a guy with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't overpay for a nobody that looks like a grown up stunt double for the banjo player in Deliverance.


Hoyer doesn't have the arm strength to be consistently good in the red zone.


And Jay had all the arm strength in the world and was consistently the worst qb in the league in the red zone. I'd rather have a middle of the road qb at a cheap cost like Hoyer that can be a bridge to a potential franchise qb than Cutler.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Glennon
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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.

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Chris_in_joliet wrote:
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NME wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The idea is Glennon could be good but in a bad situation with that mess of an organization.

So this mess of an organization can unlock his potential!





The idea is bad.



Just re-sign Hoyer and draft a guy with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't overpay for a nobody that looks like a grown up stunt double for the banjo player in Deliverance.


Hoyer doesn't have the arm strength to be consistently good in the red zone.


And Jay had all the arm strength in the world and was consistently the worst qb in the league in the red zone. I'd rather have a middle of the road qb at a cheap cost like Hoyer that can be a bridge to a potential franchise qb than Cutler.


My comment wasn't a reference to Cutler.

The Bears had a top 5 offense last year in yards per play. They just struggled to put the ball in the end zone once they got inside the 20. Cutler aside, Hoyer has had this issue over his career.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Glennon
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I understand that your comment wasnt a reference to Cutler but I was just saying that I dont believe having arm strength leads to success in the redzone. I think if Hoyer had a better line and made better decisions he might have been more successful.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Glennon
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i like glennon. but i cant put a price on how much i like him. reports are he may have turned down 7 mil per from tampa... could he actually land a deal that is osweiler level of stupid? young backup qbs have to start hoping they can put 2-3 good games on tape when given a chance because the asking price in FA for that potential (osweiler, garapolo, glennon) is insane


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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.

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FavreFan wrote:
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Frank Coztansa wrote:
Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.


They should immediately get on the phone with DJ Fluker.

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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.


They have to draft an OT at three, if they're not drafting a QB.

Don't even talk to me about safety.


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 Post subject: Re: Mike Glennon
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FavreFan wrote:
Jaw Breaker wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.



Long is pretty damn good when healthy, I just dunno if we will see him healthy ever again.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Glennon
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312player wrote:
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Jaw Breaker wrote:
Frank Coztansa wrote:
Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.



Long is pretty damn good when healthy, I just dunno if we will see him healthy ever again.

Nah, he's average and that's if I'm being pretty generous. He was objectively terrible last season.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Glennon may have a better chance if success over a second round pick and certainly over a third round pick.

It is interesting logic. No QB is worth the third pick in the draft! Let's build around a guy who is much worse than the guy who isn't worth a third round pick!




Yeah, even better logic to build around a guy who was a 3rd round pick that has actual playing time under his belt and didn't flash anything worth the 15$ million per you're going to over pay him.


Brilliant.


The real difference between my 2nd or 3rd round pick and yours is that you're going to pay a lot less to find out if mine can play.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
The idea is Glennon could be good but in a bad situation with that mess of an organization.

So this mess of an organization can unlock his potential!





The idea is bad.



Just re-sign Hoyer and draft a guy with the 2nd or 3rd round pick. Don't overpay for a nobody that looks like a grown up stunt double for the banjo player in Deliverance.


Hoyer doesn't have the arm strength to be consistently good in the red zone.




Irrelevant.

Hoyer is a cheap stop gap while the 2nd or 3rd rounder develops -or plays right away. Glennon becomes a 15 million dollar a year albatross if he doesn't pan out.

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Where are you guys coming up with 15 mill per for Glennon? Everything I've read says there is no demand for him, The Bears are bidding against Tampa who has a franchise QB and offered him 7 million to be a backup.

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 Post subject: Re: Mike Glennon
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Where are you guys coming up with 15 mill per for Glennon? Everything I've read says there is no demand for him, The Bears are bidding against Tampa who has a franchise QB and offered him 7 million to be a backup.






NFL.com is still showing it. And its a general figure that's widely being thrown around by talk shows and so on.


I have no issue with Glennon coming here if he's cheap. The money is the only thing I have an issue with here.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Glennon may have a better chance if success over a second round pick and certainly over a third round pick.

It is interesting logic. No QB is worth the third pick in the draft! Let's build around a guy who is much worse than the guy who isn't worth a third round pick!




Yeah, even better logic to build around a guy who was a 3rd round pick that has actual playing time under his belt and didn't flash anything worth the 15$ million per you're going to over pay him.


Brilliant.


The real difference between my 2nd or 3rd round pick and yours is that you're going to pay a lot less to find out if mine can play.
I predict Glennon has a better career over whatever best available QB is there in the third round. It's probably a coin flip with the second rounder depending on how many go in the first.

That's more on the rookies though. Glennon is unlikely to be anything but above average.

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NFL.com is just spitballing ideas, I'd be stunned if he got over 10 million per, That site also has the Skins trading Cousins to to San Francisco. Another pipe dream.

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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.

lol, outside of Whitehair, none if this is accurate.


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I can't stand Cutler, but I'd rather see him again for one more year (or even Kaepernick for sheer entertainment value) before Glennon. I mean, how sad would it be to sign Tampa's backup to be your starter?

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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.


I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.

lol, outside of Whitehair, none if this is accurate.

Didn't watch a lot of Bears this year, huh? I can't blame you.

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Whitehair will play tackle and Grasu will start at C. Long is bad at T but pretty good at G. They will probably look to draft or sign someone, but I cannot pretend to know who that will be. Its honestly one of the better OL groups the Bears have had in my lifetime, which really doesn't mean they'll be good.

Long was mediocre last year but his shit was pretty well fucked up. I was rough on him for playing poorly but his injuries were extensive and he was playing through what would be a season-ender for a lot of players. I dont know why he stuck it out for that shit team but whatever.


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Signing Glennon and drafting Mahomes in the 2nd round is a perfectly adequate situation going into next season. 1. Glennon 2. Shaw 3. Mahomes.

If Glennon gets hurt to start the year Shaw is a guy they liked last year. Or Mahomes wins the #2 job in camp, which is fine too. If Glennon just sucks Mahomes gets his shot. If Glennon is good the Bears will be able to groom and hype Mahomes and probably find a willing trade partner in 2-3 years. They could do this with a number of other guys in rounds 2-4 but Mahomes is the guy I like the most. Not drafting a QB at all is unforgivable at this point no matter what they do in FA.


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Signing Glennon and drafting Mahomes in the 2nd round is a perfectly adequate situation going into next season. 1. Glennon 2. Shaw 3. Mahomes.

If Glennon gets hurt to start the year Shaw is a guy they liked last year. Or Mahomes wins the #2 job in camp, which is fine too. If Glennon just sucks Mahomes gets his shot. If Glennon is good the Bears will be able to groom and hype Mahomes and probably find a willing trade partner in 2-3 years. They could do this with a number of other guys in rounds 2-4 but Mahomes is the guy I like the most. Not drafting a QB at all is unforgivable at this point no matter what they do in FA.

I dont think you are getting Mahomes in the 2nd round.

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Why not just start Barkley or Hoyer if all they want is a "bridge" quarterback? Seems stupid to throw money at a guy just because he has experience.

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I can't stand Cutler, but I'd rather see him again for one more year (or even Kaepernick for sheer entertainment value) before Glennon. I mean, how sad would it be to sign Tampa's backup to be your starter?



Cutler might be a plus on the offense side compared to a guy like Hoyer or Glennon but its not that dramatic. The thing is he's actually so bad at decision making that it leads to a negative for your defense causing them to be on the field more with his turnovers.


Never forget when I was told by someone that turnovers dont matter and dont effect the game.

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Unless the Bears fix their offensive line in this one offseason (not likely), I do not expect them to make MANY trips into the red zone.

I thought the offensive line was their one strength?

Nope. Whitehair looks good, Long is overpaid and overrated, Sitton is old, and they might have the worst OT situation in the NFL.
lol, outside of Whitehair, none if this is accurate.

Didn't watch a lot of Bears this year, huh? I can't blame you.
The interior of the OLine isn't too bad. Long is good and Whitehair seems like he could be a real player. Their tackles absolutely suck.

The more I think about this, the more I would hate them signing Glennon. This team is not just a QB or a couple of pieces away from winning. They need a QB, OLine, TE, and an entire secondary. Draft a QB, Shaw as your #2, and let Hoyer start. This is likely going to be 6-8 win season anyway, with a small outside chance at 9 wins if literally everything goes their way. I am 98% sure they are not a playoff team, and 99.999% sure they are not a Super Bowl team. I don't really care about the money for Glennon, but there is no reason to waste time with him playing for this team at all.

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