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Say Richard Roeper gets a call from a Director. "We'd like you to have a cameo in our film". He takes the roll
6 months later it's time to critique the movie. If he goes on about it being the best movie he's ever seen, do you trust his objectivity?
I mean come on. Roeper writes editorials too and columns and political stuff right?


If it is in fact one of the best movies he has ever seen, then what does it matter? Do you honestly go see movies based upon how many stars it gets?

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If it is in fact one of the best movies he has ever seen, then what does it matter? Do you honestly go see movies based upon how many stars it gets?

I do take the general critical consensus in consideration when deciding whether or not to lay down my silver for a movie, yeah.
Don't you read movie reviews?

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I go see it to find out what happens, not read about it beforehand and have someone elses opinion make me predisposed in anyway.

it ruins the experience more than anything else. i prefer to determine if something is campy on my own.

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that is a very good point darkside. but i think its different because roper only reviews the movie once. teddy greenstien isnt going to be reviewing the ONE show he did for the next 3 years.

And that is also an excellent buckeye. He's going to be reviewing not just the show he did, but the overall show over the course of the time he's the media critic. Everytime he goes to maybe slam Mac over the latest "bitch" flap, he might take it eays thinking, "Well, maybe I'll get another chance to host if I play this just right."


...just like Silvy and Waddle might think the same thing if they want to bash Charles Tillman. They will think, "Well, maybe Peanut will stop coming on our show and helping ratings if I play this wrong".

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I go see it to find out what happens, not read about it beforehand and have someone elses opinion make me predisposed in anyway.

it ruins the experience more than anything else. i prefer to determine if something is campy on my own.

Ok man. Well, millions of other people do read movie reviews and it would be shitty to read a wonderful review of a movie and say "wow I'd like to see that" and then find out that the damned movie critic had a hand in the movie.

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I go see it to find out what happens, not read about it beforehand and have someone elses opinion make me predisposed in anyway.

it ruins the experience more than anything else. i prefer to determine if something is campy on my own.

Ok man. Well, millions of other people do read movie reviews and it would be shitty to read a wonderful review of a movie and say "wow I'd like to see that" and then find out that the damned movie critic had a hand in the movie.


In all seriousness, DS, do you feel that is what we have on our hands with Teddy's four hours on the show on Tuesday?


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...just like Silvy and Waddle might think the same thing if they want to bash Charles Tillman. They will think, "Well, maybe Peanut will stop coming on our show and helping ratings if I play this wrong".

Silvy and Waddle are not "critics" of the Bears. They just talk about them. They job is to try to land interviews with sports figures. This argument is irrelevant.

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That's a slippery slope. When Mariotti was on WMVP, would you say he was a "critic" of the Bulls and Sox or was he just trying to land interviews?


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In all seriousness, DS, do you feel that is what we have on our hands with Teddy's four hours on the show on Tuesday?

In all seriousness NSJ, this conversation is fucking pointless. I've stated my position. I'm done defending it. Take it or leave it.

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[Ok man. Well, millions of other people do read movie reviews and it would be shitty to read a wonderful review of a movie and say "wow I'd like to see that" and then find out that the damned movie critic had a hand in the movie.


So....basically a movie critic has to agree with you to be right? Good or bad reviews aside, you may love Roeper's movie while mrs darkside may hate it. Gigi got awful reviews, but I'm sure there were people that liked it.

Braveheart got amazing reviews, yet there's people that don't like it.

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...."wow I'd like to see that" and then find out that the damned movie critic had a hand in the movie.


who cares if the movie kicks ass? and if it sucks, then maybe you have a point. but like most new music, most new movies suck.....
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[Ok man. Well, millions of other people do read movie reviews and it would be shitty to read a wonderful review of a movie and say "wow I'd like to see that" and then find out that the damned movie critic had a hand in the movie.


So....basically a movie critic has to agree with you to be right? Good or bad reviews aside, you may love Roeper's movie while mrs darkside may hate it. Gigi got awful reviews, but I'm sure there were people that liked it.

Braveheart got amazing reviews, yet there's people that don't like it.

Frank, you must be baiting me because the only other explaination is that you've damaged your brain huffing rubber cement.
No, the critic does not have to agree with me.
Reread what I said...Seeing a movie get a good review, then paying to see said movie, only to find out that the movie's review was biased because the damned critic was in the movie would suck. This has nothing to do with agreeing with me at all.

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...just like Silvy and Waddle might think the same thing if they want to bash Charles Tillman. They will think, "Well, maybe Peanut will stop coming on our show and helping ratings if I play this wrong".

Silvy and Waddle are not "critics" of the Bears. They just talk about them. They job is to try to land interviews with sports figures. This argument is irrelevant.


I think you are 100% wrong about that. There job is to analyze the team. This isn't WGN radio giving the update every hour on the local sports teams. They aren't reading scores.

The talk the day after a Bears game breaks down the game, the performances, and what it means. Are you telling me that they weren't critical of Rex Grossman? Are you telling me that they weren't critical of Adam Archuleta? Are you telling me they weren't praising Urlacher at points in the Super Bowl season and then critical of him for last season?

I don't know what sports radio you are listening to, but they either are critical or heap praise in the direction of a player between just about every commercial break.

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If you're going to see a movie solely based on a critics review, reagardless of who's review it was and what his relationship, if any, is with the movie, isn't the best way to go about deciding what movie to see.

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I think you are 100% wrong about that. There job is to analyze the team. This isn't WGN radio giving the update every hour on the local sports teams. They aren't reading scores.

The talk the day after a Bears game breaks down the game, the performances, and what it means. Are you telling me that they weren't critical of Rex Grossman? Are you telling me that they weren't critical of Adam Archuleta? Are you telling me they weren't praising Urlacher at points in the Super Bowl season and then critical of him for last season?

I don't know what sports radio you are listening to, but they either are critical or heap praise in the direction of a player between just about every commercial break.

Boilermaker, they're talk show hosts. they are not Chicago Sports Critics. "Talk show" and "critic" are two different job titles with very different journalistic standards.
Didn't anyone take journalism in college?

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[Ok man. Well, millions of other people do read movie reviews and it would be shitty to read a wonderful review of a movie and say "wow I'd like to see that" and then find out that the damned movie critic had a hand in the movie.


So....basically a movie critic has to agree with you to be right? Good or bad reviews aside, you may love Roeper's movie while mrs darkside may hate it. Gigi got awful reviews, but I'm sure there were people that liked it.

Braveheart got amazing reviews, yet there's people that don't like it.

Frank, you must be baiting me because the only other explaination is that you've damaged your brain huffing rubber cement.
No, the critic does not have to agree with me.
Reread what I said...Seeing a movie get a good review, then paying to see said movie, only to find out that the movie's review was biased because the damned critic was in the movie would suck. This has nothing to do with agreeing with me at all.


id be pissed off if i spent money for a movie with great reviews to find it sucked. that an angle that maybe is pursuading me ds.


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Seeing a movie get a good review, then paying to see said movie, only to find out that the movie's review was biased because the damned critic was in the movie would suck. This has nothing to do with agreeing with me at all.


only if the movie sucks though...If it's great then what? Is the review biased? Who are you to judge what is in a mans soul? :lol:

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If you're going to see a movie solely based on a critics review, reagardless of who's review it was and what his relationship, if any, is with the movie, isn't the best way to go about deciding what movie to see.

Put down the glue Frank.
I said there may be a point where you read a review and say "Snaps! I've got to see that movie". I did not say at any time that my entire criteria was the review of the movie. Dude you are losing your momentum here.

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hmph, ok. I have never known anyone to pick up a newspaper or read a review online and then run out and see the movie based only on what they've read.

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"Snaps! I've got to see that movie"..


I say this all the time. :)

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hmph, ok. I have never known anyone to pick up a newspaper or read a review online and then run out and see the movie based only on what they've read.

Then get out of your bathroom once in a while and meet some people.
If this never happened...why would there be an industry of movie critics.
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I say this all the time. :)


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So now you're implying that nobody would see movies if there were no movie critics?

and I'm losing momentum?

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So now you're implying that nobody would see movies if there were no movie critics?

and I'm losing momentum?

You're baiting me Frank. No. That is not what I said nor implied.
I know your're trying to bait me cause I know you're not that fuckin dumb to get that out of what I said. Later.

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The really funny part of all of this is that Teddy is reading / will read every post in this thread.


If he posts in this thread, you will never be able to convince me his praise of us and this place is genuine.

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I know your're trying to bait me cause I know you're not that fuckin dumb to get that out of what I said. Later.


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