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How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

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How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

varies year to year.

total crapshoot


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Kirkwood dont like the class that is all that really matters. Total bust

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How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000349959/article/nfc-north-draft-grades-minnesota-vikings-finagle-a-quarterback
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CHICAGO BEARS: GM Ryan Pace and head coach John Fox, both in their first year with Chicago, are intent on rebuilding the Bears with a bunch of intelligent, hard-nosed football players with non-stop motors. Fox, in particular, covets explosive big-bodied athletes at every position, which is why the Bears' draft features some of the top testers in pre-draft workouts. Kevin White is a dynamic pass catcher with exceptional speed, quickness and burst. He is a natural vertical stretch receiver who could blossom as a WR1 in the Windy City opposite Alshon Jeffery. Defensive tackle Eddie Goldman is a behemoth on the interior, but he plays light on his feet and provides the Bears with a run-stuffer/pocket-pusher at the point of attack. Offensive lineman Hroniss Grasu and running back Jeremy Langford didn't command a lot of attention during the pre-draft process, but each is a rock-solid prospect with the potential to contribute immediately as a role player. GRADE: A-


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Bears draft was good. First 3 picks look real good which covers for the crap that came after.


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How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

Exactly . Sports radio is even more unlistenable than usuals this week with know nothing idiots bloviating about how well a team drafted when it cant be answered for years. The hype around the NFL draft and the weeks of speculation that results from it makes for terrible terrible radio

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So the worst someone did, overall was C? What the fuck is this, common core?


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So the worst someone did, overall was C? What the fuck is this, common core?


Next thing you know, everyone is going to be given participation ribbons.

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So the worst someone did, overall was C? What the fuck is this, common core?


Next thing you know, everyone is going to be given participation ribbons.


Dewskie's been doing that for Ryan Pace for a while now.


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So the worst someone did, overall was C? What the fuck is this, common core?


Next thing you know, everyone is going to be given participation ribbons.


Dewskie's been doing that for Ryan Pace for a while now.


I'd rather be a ribbon-giving optimist than another curmudgeon turd who wants to burn down the organization every 8 months.

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Dewskie wrote:
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So the worst someone did, overall was C? What the fuck is this, common core?


Next thing you know, everyone is going to be given participation ribbons.


Dewskie's been doing that for Ryan Pace for a while now.


I'd rather be a ribbon-giving optimist than another curmudgeon turd who wants to burn down the organization every 8 months.


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I'd rather be a ribbon-giving optimist than another curmudgeon turd who wants to burn down the organization every 8 months.


You've got an edge that sets up nicely for some epic battles around this place. I hope you stick around and keep stoking the flames.

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I'd rather be a ribbon-giving optimist than another curmudgeon turd who wants to burn down the organization every 8 months.


You've got an edge that sets up nicely for some epic battles around this place. I hope you stick around and keep stoking the flames.


Eh. It's played out 1000 times with me vs. the same handful of people, and it's already tired as fuck. I'm not going anywhere.

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How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

Exactly . Sports radio is even more unlistenable than usuals this week with know nothing idiots bloviating about how well a team drafted when it cant be answered for years. The hype around the NFL draft and the weeks of speculation that results from it makes for terrible terrible radio

They should talk more national NBA.

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The Packers got great grades too and their draft probably sucked.

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Dewskie wrote:
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I'd rather be a ribbon-giving optimist than another curmudgeon turd who wants to burn down the organization every 8 months.


You've got an edge that sets up nicely for some epic battles around this place. I hope you stick around and keep stoking the flames.


Eh. It's played out 1000 times with me vs. the same handful of people, and it's already tired as fuck. I'm not going anywhere.


The Pollyanna act over a team that is 13-34 in three years is pretty tired as well. Calling everyone critical of said 13-34 GM pants wetters is tired as hell. It's just calling a spade a spade.


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FavreFan wrote:
The Packers got great grades too and their draft probably sucked.


Most of the draft is kind of bullshit anyway. It takes years, if not a decade to accurately grade out who did what well. These grades are bullshit, too. It's something to look at though and say "oh neat."

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I'd rather be a ribbon-giving optimist than another curmudgeon turd who wants to burn down the organization every 8 months.


You've got an edge that sets up nicely for some epic battles around this place. I hope you stick around and keep stoking the flames.


Eh. It's played out 1000 times with me vs. the same handful of people, and it's already tired as fuck. I'm not going anywhere.


The Pollyanna act over a team that is 13-34 in three years is pretty tired as well. Calling everyone critical of said 13-34 GM pants wetters is tired as hell. It's just calling a spade a spade.


It's short-sighted and wet-blanket-ish, but then again I get called a burrito for my opinions, so it's all just a massive circle jerk where nobody wins, especially the goddamn Bears.

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The Packers got great grades too and their draft probably sucked.


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The Packers got great grades too and their draft probably sucked.

yup.

journalists always give them an A b/c that one year they drafted rodgers and they never use free agency.

nothing gives a nfl journalist a bigger stiffy than a roster of drafts picks and UDFAs even if they all suck


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Bump this thread in 2021. Then we will know.

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Bump this thread in 2021. Then we will know.


Unless there is an injury we should have an idea about 3 guys next year.

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I feel pretty good about the B+ grade I gave them.

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The optimism is unfounded...still projected for 6.5 wins by the gambling sites.

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Nas wrote:
How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000349959/article/nfc-north-draft-grades-minnesota-vikings-finagle-a-quarterback
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CHICAGO BEARS: GM Ryan Pace and head coach John Fox, both in their first year with Chicago, are intent on rebuilding the Bears with a bunch of intelligent, hard-nosed football players with non-stop motors. Fox, in particular, covets explosive big-bodied athletes at every position, which is why the Bears' draft features some of the top testers in pre-draft workouts. Kevin White is a dynamic pass catcher with exceptional speed, quickness and burst. He is a natural vertical stretch receiver who could blossom as a WR1 in the Windy City opposite Alshon Jeffery. Defensive tackle Eddie Goldman is a behemoth on the interior, but he plays light on his feet and provides the Bears with a run-stuffer/pocket-pusher at the point of attack. Offensive lineman Hroniss Grasu and running back Jeremy Langford didn't command a lot of attention during the pre-draft process, but each is a rock-solid prospect with the potential to contribute immediately as a role player. GRADE: A-

The Bears 2015 draft was not bad, only mediocre. And the sole reason it was mediocre was the failure of Kevin White. Langford gave them a good rookie year and Amos & Goldman are above average starters today. If you come out of a draft with two guys you are happy to have as starters its a decent draft. Not outstanding, but good.

Worth noting this class included Cam Meredith and Bryce Callahan as UDFA's, which definitely elevates it. Even if they completely fumbled the Meredith situation in a way that should've had many more consequences than it did. In fact, I do wonder if it was Nagy who was given control over the first two days of this draft because Pace's ineptitude has finally worn out his welcome as a decision maker.

But back to the initial point, the 2015 draft probably comes out as a B/B- in the end. If they get a miracle out of White, which I want to make very clear I do not think is going to happen, it can be an A still. But safe to say it was successful. If you want to see some truly dreadful drafts look at the Emery outputs. Never did better than a C-/D+ in any given class.


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Nas wrote:
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Bump this thread in 2021. Then we will know.


Unless there is an injury we should have an idea about 3 guys next year.

To be fair Antonio Brown did not look like anything special his rookie year.


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How often do the grades match the performance of the players?

http://www.nfl.com/draft/story/0ap2000000349959/article/nfc-north-draft-grades-minnesota-vikings-finagle-a-quarterback
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CHICAGO BEARS: GM Ryan Pace and head coach John Fox, both in their first year with Chicago, are intent on rebuilding the Bears with a bunch of intelligent, hard-nosed football players with non-stop motors. Fox, in particular, covets explosive big-bodied athletes at every position, which is why the Bears' draft features some of the top testers in pre-draft workouts. Kevin White is a dynamic pass catcher with exceptional speed, quickness and burst. He is a natural vertical stretch receiver who could blossom as a WR1 in the Windy City opposite Alshon Jeffery. Defensive tackle Eddie Goldman is a behemoth on the interior, but he plays light on his feet and provides the Bears with a run-stuffer/pocket-pusher at the point of attack. Offensive lineman Hroniss Grasu and running back Jeremy Langford didn't command a lot of attention during the pre-draft process, but each is a rock-solid prospect with the potential to contribute immediately as a role player. GRADE: A-

The Bears 2015 draft was not bad, only mediocre. And the sole reason it was mediocre was the failure of Kevin White. Langford gave them a good rookie year and Amos & Goldman are above average starters today. If you come out of a draft with two guys you are happy to have as starters its a decent draft. Not outstanding, but good.

Worth noting this class included Cam Meredith and Bryce Callahan as UDFA's, which definitely elevates it. Even if they completely fumbled the Meredith situation in a way that should've had many more consequences than it did. In fact, I do wonder if it was Nagy who was given control over the first two days of this draft because Pace's ineptitude has finally worn out his welcome as a decision maker.

But back to the initial point, the 2015 draft probably comes out as a B/B- in the end. If they get a miracle out of White, which I want to make very clear I do not think is going to happen, it can be an A still. But safe to say it was successful. If you want to see some truly dreadful drafts look at the Emery outputs. Never did better than a C-/D+ in any given class.


If you fumble a top 10 pick your draft sucked. I don't give a shit what you did later.


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If you fumble a top 10 pick your draft sucked. I don't give a shit what you did later.


2003 Bears draft

RD1 - Michael Haynes
RD1 - Rex Grossman
RD2 - Charles Tillman
RD3 - Lance Briggs

But because they drafted a complete bust in Haynes and a partial bust in Grossman, Tillman and Briggs are completely disqualified, yeah?

Or is this exclusive to top 10 picks?

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If you fumble a top 10 pick your draft sucked. I don't give a shit what you did later.

The oddest part about Kevin White pick was Vic Beasley was right there waiting to be selected. But y'know bright side is Bears are entering 2018 training camp with 2 top-10 picks for the 4th straight year.


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