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He's nothing like Cutler. He will keep you in games because he actually tends to be conservative. With his draft status, he has to be great, though. Maybe he will. He's still very early in his career, especially given his lack of college experience.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that he missed on a lot of throws today, though, and looked bad at times.




Ageeed on pretty much everything here. And yeah, he’s missed passes all year if we’re being honest. That said, he’s slowly turning into one of the better scramblers in the league and I think his confidence in that results in some indecision that leads to some missed opportunities. That’s another thing I feel will get sorted out as he plays more and gains experience.

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He's nothing like Cutler. He will keep you in games because he actually tends to be conservative. With his draft status, he has to be great, though. Maybe he will. He's still very early in his career, especially given his lack of college experience.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that he missed on a lot of throws today, though, and looked bad at times.


I've been doing this since about 1pm. I haven't seen anyone say that he shouldn't be more accurate.

My point is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is way down on the list of problems and near the top of the list of positives. I want him to improve but I'm excited about the growth I've seen. He's already been more productive in 6 games than he was all last season.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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He's nothing like Cutler. He will keep you in games because he actually tends to be conservative. With his draft status, he has to be great, though. Maybe he will. He's still very early in his career, especially given his lack of college experience.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that he missed on a lot of throws today, though, and looked bad at times.


I've been doing this since about 1pm. I haven't seen anyone say that he shouldn't be more accurate.

My point is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is way down on the list of problems and near the top of the list of positives. I want him to improve but I'm excited about the growth I've seen. He's already been more productive in 6 games than he was all last season.

That list of positives has to be pretty short. That being said, all in all, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky helped the team today more than he hurt the team (but he definitely had plays where he hurt the team.) The defense really needs to get back to where they were a few weeks ago, and the special team issues today are obvious. I do feel there is some growth with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but you see QBs on other teams that haven't had to go through this and it is hard not to be envious. They have better weapons around them no doubt.

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He's nothing like Cutler. He will keep you in games because he actually tends to be conservative. With his draft status, he has to be great, though. Maybe he will. He's still very early in his career, especially given his lack of college experience.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that he missed on a lot of throws today, though, and looked bad at times.


I've been doing this since about 1pm. I haven't seen anyone say that he shouldn't be more accurate.

My point is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is way down on the list of problems and near the top of the list of positives. I want him to improve but I'm excited about the growth I've seen. He's already been more productive in 6 games than he was all last season.

That list of positives has to be pretty short. That being said, all in all, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky helped the team today more than he hurt the team (but he definitely had plays where he hurt the team.) The defense really needs to get back to where they were a few weeks ago, and the special team issues today are obvious. I do feel there is some growth with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but you see QBs on other teams that haven't had to go through this and it is hard not to be envious. They have better weapons around them no doubt.


I'm starting to question Fangio.

What other quarterbacks haven't gone through this? Mahomes?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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What other quarterbacks haven't gone through this? Mahomes?

Goff (to any meaningful degree.) Wentz.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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What other quarterbacks haven't gone through this? Mahomes?

Goff (to any meaningful degree.) Wentz.


Goff sucked his first year. Wentz was better but not exactly a stud. Both took major steps in Year 2. Both also had better talent around them.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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What other quarterbacks haven't gone through this? Mahomes?

Goff (to any meaningful degree.) Wentz.


Goff sucked his first year. Wentz was better but not exactly a stud. Both took major steps in Year 2. Both also had better talent around them.

Yeah, I agree Goff sucked hence the disclaimer. Yes, they both had much better talent. And they both did much better. But as I said, still hard not to be envious of their situations. One wishes (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was at their level now, since this is his second season as well, but there is a ways to go.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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What other quarterbacks haven't gone through this? Mahomes?

Goff (to any meaningful degree.) Wentz.


Goff sucked his first year. Wentz was better but not exactly a stud. Both took major steps in Year 2. Both also had better talent around them.

Yeah, I agree Goff sucked hence the disclaimer. Yes, they both had much better talent. And they both did much better. But as I said, still hard not to be envious of their situations. One wishes (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was at their level now, since this is his second season as well, but there is a ways to go.


The last 3 games have given me hope that he's headed in the right direction. I still wish he had that 1 stud to play with on offense that every great except Brady had. Mahomes has 3.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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The last 3 games have given me hope that he's headed in the right direction. I still wish he had that 1 stud to play with on offense that every great except Brady had. Mahomes has 3.

Yeah, there's no reason to think he isn't growing as a player. Imagine having a guy like Kelce around for an up and coming QB. Goff has the best RB in the league who can also catch passes, and takes the pressure off of him to the three guys he has.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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He's a big donkey right now. There are clear skills but they are no where near refined and the game has not slowed down for him yet. If he can slow it down I think you could have a Big Ben....which would be great.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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People should be almost freaking out about how good (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has looked. The Patriots are brutal on young QB's and he held in there no worse than Mahomes, He The Anointed One Of Showtime™.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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People should be almost freaking out about how good (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has looked. The Patriots are brutal on young QB's and he held in there no worse than Mahomes, He The Anointed One Of Showtime™.


Yep. The Pats threw everything they had at him and he maintained his composure and kept drives alive and kept the Bears in the game. Should have won. Special teams really sucked. They need to do something about getting the punt off quicker and the tackling for our special teams was terrible.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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leashyourkids wrote:
He's nothing like Cutler. He will keep you in games because he actually tends to be conservative. With his draft status, he has to be great, though. Maybe he will. He's still very early in his career, especially given his lack of college experience.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that he missed on a lot of throws today, though, and looked bad at times.


Like I said, the dude has gone mental in the red zone recently. He’s not Cutler bad or anything, but I wouldn’t call him conservative when he keeps throwing the ball to the other team in the end zone.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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The red zone thing is going to have to come with time. Even the greatest QB's struggle in the red zone for long stretches. The one pass straight into double coverage was totally wtf but its something you see every QB do in their early 20's. Literally all of them.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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People should be almost freaking out about how good (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has looked. The Patriots are brutal on young QB's and he held in there no worse than Mahomes, He The Anointed One Of Showtime™.


His passing performance wasn't even close to that of Mahomes.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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What? Statistically?

Look the Bears receiving options are good enough to where its no longer an excuse for Mitch but the Bears have nothing like a Tyreek Hill. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky's decision making against hoodie was no worse than Mahomes. There's obviously a disparity in raw arm talent, but in terms of how they played in their games against the Patriots...I dont think you can say Mahomes looked massively better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky if you actually watched those games.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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People should be almost freaking out about how good (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has looked. The Patriots are brutal on young QB's and he held in there no worse than Mahomes, He The Anointed One Of Showtime™.


His passing performance wasn't even close to that of Mahomes.


Based on what? He had more yards (even before the hailmary) and 1 fewer touchdown.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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People should be almost freaking out about how good (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has looked. The Patriots are brutal on young QB's and he held in there no worse than Mahomes, He The Anointed One Of Showtime™.


His passing performance wasn't even close to that of Mahomes.


Based on what? He had more yards (even before the hailmary) and 1 fewer touchdown.

Completion %, Y/A, and QB Rating all SIGNIFICANTLY favored Mahomes. Midget is correct that the passing performances of the two games are not comparable. The eye test gap seems even wider.

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Wanna talk about msising wide open passes watch Mahomes first half against the Patriots. If (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky did that you guys would be ready to cut him.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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He's nothing like Cutler. He will keep you in games because he actually tends to be conservative. With his draft status, he has to be great, though. Maybe he will. He's still very early in his career, especially given his lack of college experience.

I think it's fair to acknowledge that he missed on a lot of throws today, though, and looked bad at times.


I've been doing this since about 1pm. I haven't seen anyone say that he shouldn't be more accurate.

My point is (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is way down on the list of problems and near the top of the list of positives. I want him to improve but I'm excited about the growth I've seen. He's already been more productive in 6 games than he was all last season.


That list of positives has to be pretty short. That being said, all in all, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky helped the team today more than he hurt the team (but he definitely had plays where he hurt the team.) The defense really needs to get back to where they were a few weeks ago, and the special team issues today are obvious. I do feel there is some growth with (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, but you see QBs on other teams that haven't had to go through this and it is hard not to be envious. They have better weapons around them no doubt.



Who are the QBs on other teams who haven't had to go through a progression like (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? Last years favorite, Watson, got injured and is struggling this year. For the record, I wanted the Bear's to draft Watson last year. THis year, Mahomes is the STAR. No question about it. I do not downgrade him a bit BTW and wish the guy well. But take a look at the talent that he has around him, right?

But other than Mahomes, who is the young quarterback that you'd rather have on your team other than Mitch? Seriously?

In the age of Peyton Manning and Tom Brady, you also had a guy named Drew Brees. All three are first year HOF qbs. So what I am saying is that while arguments of who is the best quarterback is fun to do, who cares if you are a fan? I give a shit if Mahomes is considered better than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. As long as (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is good enough to lead a team to a championship, that's all I care about.

So I say once again to you critics and naysayers about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and yes, Nagy. Give it a LITTLE TIME for cripes sake. This is not a Super Bowl team but then can win the division that they are in because none of these teams are Super Bowl teams. BUT NEXT SEASON...…… with a good draft and a couple of breaks, they will be a Super Bowl contender I predict.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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But other than Mahomes, who is the young quarterback that you'd rather have on your team other than Mitch? Seriously?

Already answered most of your questions earlier in the thread, but I would rather have Wentz or Goff (and of course Mahomes.)

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Potential to be Chicago's Blake Bortles unless he drastically calms down.

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He's already way better than Bortles.


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Potential to be Chicago's Blake Bortles unless he drastically calms down.

says someone who hasn't watched 40 plus games of Bortles. I gave up last year, and they had a good year. Dude's a younger Trent Dilfer, and that's perhaps overstating it. Mitch can't be that bad.

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My only concern is, I dont see how the accuracy gets better. Maybe it will, but that is not something to chalk up to being young or a learning curve.


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You don't see how the accuracy gets better even though his accuracy keeps getting better.


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Potential to be Chicago's Blake Bortles unless he drastically calms down.


That is asinine. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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You don't see how the accuracy gets better even though his accuracy keeps getting better.

Does it?

It seems like he hits the easy throws, makes 1-2 real nice ones, and misses on overthrows on 3-4 times per game.


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Potential to be Chicago's Blake Bortles unless he drastically calms down.


That is asinine. :roll: :roll: :roll:

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