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Are they saying that Bortles is the worst case scenario?

It wasn't really a best case/worst case discussion. They just said that's who he has reminded them of this year.
That's a hard thing to quantify. If we are talking about Bortles in year 2 vs. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky in year 2 then I'll take that and be happy.

If he reminds them of a guy who is going to lose his job to Cody Kessler then I can't agree.

I agree with the bold take that he probably won't be replaced by Cody Kessler this season.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is accurate, but he is not consistent. That is different than someone like Bortles who's poor mechanics and lack of fundamentals makes him inaccurate, but Bortles displays his mechanics and fundamentals (I guess that's what you have to call them?) on a consistent basis.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still forgets things, especially his footwork, from time to time. When he is locked-in he is nails, when he lets his mechanics slip he is wild. That is why this comparison to Bortles is just lazy nonsense.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I was a Cutler defender for a while. It’s intersting being on the other side about Mitch. “He doesn’t have top talent around him” “New system!” “If he just would have done _____ they could have won”

All my old excuses for Cutler coming back to be used against me when I say Mitch is shit. Intersting to be on the right side of history this time.

The major difference is that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is in year 2, whereas Cutler was in year 5+.

Right now, (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is on pace to have a better season than the pro bowl year Cutler had in Denver.

Almost the entire league is. That doesn't tell us much.
It does when we are comparing the difference between the excuses for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky vs. the excuses for Cutler.

No it doesn't.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is accurate, but he is not consistent. That is different than someone like Bortles who's poor mechanics and lack of fundamentals makes him inaccurate, but Bortles displays his mechanics and fundamentals (I guess that's what you have to call them?) on a consistent basis.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still forgets things, especially his footwork, from time to time. When he is locked-in he is nails, when he lets his mechanics slip he is wild. That is why this comparison to Bortles is just lazy nonsense.

this post is gibberish :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is accurate, but he is not consistent. That is different than someone like Bortles who's poor mechanics and lack of fundamentals makes him inaccurate, but Bortles displays his mechanics and fundamentals (I guess that's what you have to call them?) on a consistent basis.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still forgets things, especially his footwork, from time to time. When he is locked-in he is nails, when he lets his mechanics slip he is wild. That is why this comparison to Bortles is just lazy nonsense.

That's just wrong. It's an incorrect evaluation. Both (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and Bortles have shown glimpses of being very accurate over short stretches. Hell, Bortles has even done it 3-4 weeks in a row before, which is something Mitch has yet to show. They also are capable of going extended stretches of looking like the worst QB in the league. They are easily among the more inconsistent QBs in the game right now. There's nothing lazy about the comparison.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is accurate, but he is not consistent. That is different than someone like Bortles who's poor mechanics and lack of fundamentals makes him inaccurate, but Bortles displays his mechanics and fundamentals (I guess that's what you have to call them?) on a consistent basis.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still forgets things, especially his footwork, from time to time. When he is locked-in he is nails, when he lets his mechanics slip he is wild. That is why this comparison to Bortles is just lazy nonsense.

this post is gibberish :lol:

It is a very easy point to understand I am sorry it has proven elusive to you. I dont know how to put it more simply. Perhaps if you and Bill Barnwell went on a nice soy-date he could put it to you a better way?


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is accurate, but he is not consistent. That is different than someone like Bortles who's poor mechanics and lack of fundamentals makes him inaccurate, but Bortles displays his mechanics and fundamentals (I guess that's what you have to call them?) on a consistent basis.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still forgets things, especially his footwork, from time to time. When he is locked-in he is nails, when he lets his mechanics slip he is wild. That is why this comparison to Bortles is just lazy nonsense.

this post is gibberish :lol:

It is a very easy point to understand I am sorry it has proven elusive to you. I dont know how to put it more simply. Perhaps if you and Bill Barnwell went on a nice soy-date he could put it to you a better way?

It's a point that sounds like it is coming from someone who has never watched a NFL game before :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Gee guys sure is some sort of coincidence that both Packers fans who both love trolling Bears fans have mysteriously aligned on this. My noggin is definitely joggin.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

Cutler showed way more potential in Denver than Mitch has this year. Numbers aren't going to show that.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is accurate, but he is not consistent. That is different than someone like Bortles who's poor mechanics and lack of fundamentals makes him inaccurate, but Bortles displays his mechanics and fundamentals (I guess that's what you have to call them?) on a consistent basis.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still forgets things, especially his footwork, from time to time. When he is locked-in he is nails, when he lets his mechanics slip he is wild. That is why this comparison to Bortles is just lazy nonsense.

this post is gibberish :lol:

It is a very easy point to understand I am sorry it has proven elusive to you. I dont know how to put it more simply. Perhaps if you and Bill Barnwell went on a nice soy-date he could put it to you a better way?

No need to throw a fit because you're typing nonsensical garbage.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Kirkwood wrote:
No need to throw a fit because you're typing nonsensical garbage.

look, i get that you're butthurt because you dont like being labeled a tourist in what you call your "hometown", but leave that kind of bickering to relevant threads.


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I'll help you realize how dumb you sound. There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. Lonzo Ball is accurate, but he is not consistent. When he makes a 3-pointer he is accurate. He just isn't consistent about making 3-pointers.


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No need to throw a fit because you're typing nonsensical garbage.

look, i get that you're butthurt because you dont like being labeled a tourist in what you call your "hometown", but leave that kind of bickering to relevant threads.

now you're just being desperate :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I'll help you realize how dumb you sound. There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. Lonzo Ball is accurate, but he is not consistent. When he makes a 3-pointer he is accurate. He just isn't consistent about making 3-pointers.

If Lonzo Ball were to have a different motion between when he makes most of his 3-pointers and when he barely makes any 3-pointers you would say he is inconsistent. If Lonzo Ball had the exact same motion and missed all his 3-pointers you would say he's inaccurate.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

Cutler showed way more potential in Denver than Mitch has this year. Numbers aren't going to show that.

I don't think that is true. Cutler showed promise and then backed into a pro bowl because a bunch of other guys said no.

You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

Cutler showed way more potential in Denver than Mitch has this year. Numbers aren't going to show that.

I don't think that is true. Cutler showed promise and then backed into a pro bowl because a bunch of other guys said no.

You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

I dont think Nagy is going to go full McDaniels and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky doesn't seem like the type to demand a trade.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I'll help you realize how dumb you sound. There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. Lonzo Ball is accurate, but he is not consistent. When he makes a 3-pointer he is accurate. He just isn't consistent about making 3-pointers.

If Lonzo Ball were to have a different motion between when he makes most of his 3-pointers and when he barely makes any 3-pointers you would say he is inconsistent. If Lonzo Ball had the exact same motion and missed all his 3-pointers you would say he's inaccurate.

When Lonzo Ball is locked in he's a sniper. Suuuper accurate


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

Based on what?

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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I'll help you realize how dumb you sound. There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. Lonzo Ball is accurate, but he is not consistent. When he makes a 3-pointer he is accurate. He just isn't consistent about making 3-pointers.

If Lonzo Ball were to have a different motion between when he makes most of his 3-pointers and when he barely makes any 3-pointers you would say he is inconsistent. If Lonzo Ball had the exact same motion and missed all his 3-pointers you would say he's inaccurate.

When Lonzo Ball is locked in he's a sniper. Suuuper accurate

I have literally never watched Lonzo Ball play basketball and I am not sure what relevance it has to this thread about Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.


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You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

I think if they tried they aren't getting two first round picks and a starting caliber QB back :lol:

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You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

I think if they tried they aren't getting two first round picks and a starting caliber QB back :lol:

You may want to look at this coming draft class, there's a reason everyone is dumping picks. And that's a generous description of Kyle Orton!


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You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

I think if they tried they aren't getting two first round picks and a starting caliber QB back :lol:

You may want to look at this coming draft class, there's a reason everyone is dumping picks. And that's a generous description of Kyle Orton!

It's an accurate description. Very solid QB between the 20's.

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I'll help you realize how dumb you sound. There is a fundamental difference between accuracy and consistency. Lonzo Ball is accurate, but he is not consistent. When he makes a 3-pointer he is accurate. He just isn't consistent about making 3-pointers.

If Lonzo Ball were to have a different motion between when he makes most of his 3-pointers and when he barely makes any 3-pointers you would say he is inconsistent. If Lonzo Ball had the exact same motion and missed all his 3-pointers you would say he's inaccurate.

When Lonzo Ball is locked in he's a sniper. Suuuper accurate

I have literally never watched Lonzo Ball play basketball and I am not sure what relevance it has to this thread about Mitchell (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky.

Both are shit at shooting/throwing. But when they make a basketball or complete a pass they're like, really, really, accurate.


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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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Both are shit at shooting/throwing. But when they make a basketball or complete a pass they're like, really, really, accurate.

The difference in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky when he is accurate vs inaccurate is not necessarily in outcome. Wild Mitch can make throws, locked-in Mitch can miss throws...its not 100% either way. But overall Mitch is a much better QB when he follows his coaching than when he doesn't.

I am repeating myself over and over with this and you clearly would rather talk about the NBA, I suggest using this forum viewforum.php?f=91 instead of the Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky thread for that discussion.


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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

Based on what?
Assuming he plays like this for the whole season, and that is an assumption that may prove untrue, he will have a better season than Cutler ever had and he is STILL making enough mistakes that he should get better with more experience.

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No it doesn't.
Sure it does. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, at least so far is showing more potential than Cutler ever showed either in Denver or Chicago. He may never reach it but the fact that there are more good quarterbacks now than there have been in a really long time doesn't change that.

Based on what?
Assuming he plays like this for the whole season, and that is an assumption that may prove untrue, he will have a better season than Cutler ever had and he is STILL making enough mistakes that he should get better with more experience.

So just based on stats then? We've tried explaining to you why that's a flawed, at best, comparison.

I don't think Mitch is currently doing better relative to his peers during the season in question than Jay did that year.

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 Post subject: Re: Mitch has potential
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You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

I think if they tried they aren't getting two first round picks and a starting caliber QB back :lol:

I think they would as long as he keeps this up. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has made a pretty big leap this season and will be cheap for a while.

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You think the Bears will trade him this offseason?

I think if they tried they aren't getting two first round picks and a starting caliber QB back :lol:

I think they would as long as he keeps this up. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has made a pretty big leap this season and will be cheap for a while.

He's only got two more cheap years after this. That's another downside to the whole "He's young, you have to be patient and let him develop" mindset. At the rate he's currently developing, he's not really the valuable asset on a rookie contract that you had hoped for when building the team around that contract.

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So just based on stats then? We've tried explaining to you why that's a flawed, at best, comparison.

I don't think Mitch is currently doing better relative to his peers during the season in question than Jay did that year.
It doesn't matter that quarterback play is as good as it has been in a long time. There is a lot of young talent in the league along with many guys who are playing really well at an age they should be retired or backups or Eli Manning. If Brady, Brees, and Rodgers retired tomorrow does that mean that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing better?

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