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Score host is saying the kick was tipped. True?


Yep. Video showed it.


Does it show the trajectory changed?


Just getting a fingertip on it can change the speed/trajectory/rotation of the ball.

Could have helped the trajectory for all we know. Maybe it's WAY left without the two fingers.

Maybe the shocker would have put it right down the middle.

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If that ball goes thru and the Bears win nobody is talking about the offense or defense or special teams mistakes.


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Yards ain’t shit. I’m cherry picking stats. I’m all ears to hear your side of the argument that leads with something other than “I think”


Not sure who you're talking to, but the number 2 overall pick, with nearly two full seasons under his belt, must play better at home against a defense that you said all week sucked and a team that was supposedly afraid to come to Chicago. If the Eagles D was really that bad, the Bears should have put up 30 at home. They were also gifted a couple missed interceptions, including one that was thrown right to the Philly safety.


No, the story all week was how important playoff experience is and how it would be the deciding factor in the game. If this was mitch without experience I anxiously await the rest of his career


Oh, come on. People don't automatically get better with "playoff experience." Football is the same game in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

I will agree that QB's need experience in general, but Mitch is at the end of his second year. He has had his moments, but he played poorly today. As peeps said, I'm not sure how someone could have watched the game and thought he played particularly well. I'm rooting for the guy, obviously, but he needed to play better today.


That was exactly the position held by many paid football experts this week.

Mitch didn’t lose the game today. But, he didn’t win it, either.

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Yards ain’t shit. I’m cherry picking stats. I’m all ears to hear your side of the argument that leads with something other than “I think”


Not sure who you're talking to, but the number 2 overall pick, with nearly two full seasons under his belt, must play better at home against a defense that you said all week sucked and a team that was supposedly afraid to come to Chicago. If the Eagles D was really that bad, the Bears should have put up 30 at home. They were also gifted a couple missed interceptions, including one that was thrown right to the Philly safety.


No, the story all week was how important playoff experience is and how it would be the deciding factor in the game. If this was mitch without experience I anxiously await the rest of his career


Oh, come on. People don't automatically get better with "playoff experience." Football is the same game in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

I will agree that QB's need experience in general, but Mitch is at the end of his second year. He has had his moments, but he played poorly today. As peeps said, I'm not sure how someone could have watched the game and thought he played particularly well. I'm rooting for the guy, obviously, but he needed to play better today.


That was exactly the position held by many paid football experts this week.




Those ‘paid’ experts are wrong as often as ‘unpaid’ experts. Some of you put too much stock in this.

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One thing lost in all the disappointment, the bears pulled that same shot with the miller “reception” that they did against the packers a couple of years ago. When will they learn to pick up the ball just in case

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they did enough to win the game. the kid just needed to make the fg. It's the playoffs, nothing goes perfect. That's why its called the playoffs. you have to find a way to win. many times the best team doesn't win in the playoffs. the experience you get in the playoffs is on how to win games like this.


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Yards ain’t shit. I’m cherry picking stats. I’m all ears to hear your side of the argument that leads with something other than “I think”


Not sure who you're talking to, but the number 2 overall pick, with nearly two full seasons under his belt, must play better at home against a defense that you said all week sucked and a team that was supposedly afraid to come to Chicago. If the Eagles D was really that bad, the Bears should have put up 30 at home. They were also gifted a couple missed interceptions, including one that was thrown right to the Philly safety.


No, the story all week was how important playoff experience is and how it would be the deciding factor in the game. If this was mitch without experience I anxiously await the rest of his career


Oh, come on. People don't automatically get better with "playoff experience." Football is the same game in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

I will agree that QB's need experience in general, but Mitch is at the end of his second year. He has had his moments, but he played poorly today. As peeps said, I'm not sure how someone could have watched the game and thought he played particularly well. I'm rooting for the guy, obviously, but he needed to play better today.


That was exactly the position held by many paid football experts this week.

Mitch didn’t lose the game today. But, he didn’t win it, either.




But he kind of did. Who would get credited with a game winning drive if Parkey does his job

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Mitch drove the team down in the last two minutes of both halves. That is a good indication of decelopment

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Not sure who you're talking to, but the number 2 overall pick, with nearly two full seasons under his belt, must play better at home against a defense that you said all week sucked and a team that was supposedly afraid to come to Chicago. If the Eagles D was really that bad, the Bears should have put up 30 at home. They were also gifted a couple missed interceptions, including one that was thrown right to the Philly safety.


No, the story all week was how important playoff experience is and how it would be the deciding factor in the game. If this was mitch without experience I anxiously await the rest of his career


Oh, come on. People don't automatically get better with "playoff experience." Football is the same game in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

I will agree that QB's need experience in general, but Mitch is at the end of his second year. He has had his moments, but he played poorly today. As peeps said, I'm not sure how someone could have watched the game and thought he played particularly well. I'm rooting for the guy, obviously, but he needed to play better today.


That was exactly the position held by many paid football experts this week.

Mitch didn’t lose the game today. But, he didn’t win it, either.




But he kind of did. Who would get credited with a game winning drive if Parkey does his job

I know who gets credited with a game losing drive...the D.

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One thing lost in all the disappointment, the bears pulled that same shot with the miller “reception” that they did against the packers a couple of years ago. When will they learn to pick up the ball just in case

Yeah...but there wasn't really a receiver in the area...and the officials were clearly waving incomplete. I can understand why none of them went after the ball.

The defense has no excuse...always go get the ball no matter what. There were 2 guys right there in the area.

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Mitch is not the qb at this point of career to single handly win games for you.


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Mitch is not the qb at this point of career to single handly win games for you.


And yet, there they were because of him

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Mitch is not the qb at this point of career to single handly win games for you.


And yet, there they were because of him


yes he did enough to put them in a position to win.


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I’m not holding Fangio to an impossible standard at all. I’m asking for the coach to do what is necessary during a game to put his players in the best position to succeed. Not swapping Mack around more (when we saw him move Mack around all year) when Mack was clearly struggling against Peters, and not attacking an immobile QB up the middle to force him to move around more (for example) on key drives is not doing those things.


He did this in the Miami game as well as the games against the Patriots and the 1st Packers game.. You cannot sit back all the time and constantly give the opponent chances to pick you apart on defense in close games because this is what happens more often than not when you do. He was criticized for this in San Fran as well so this isn’t news breaking stuff I’m pointing out here.



The Bears D was the best in the NFL and Fangio is the architect. There is no perfect system and no perfect coach. I believe your baseline is perfection because even given criticisms here and there of Fangio he still was the best DC this year and you want him gone. Who do you want instead? There is no playcall to produce an interception when one is needed or a sack or whatever. Some guys make plays and sometimes they don't. Calls go your way and sometimes they don't. I think your argument assumes these guys are robots where you can program out errors. You can't. The game is flawed and shit happens.

At the end if the day if your DC led the league in the most essential statistical categories then you've got it good.




1st off, I didn’t say I wanted him gone. I said this is the issue I have with him as a coordinator and it’s what I won’t miss if he does leave.


I’d be just fine with him staying and said as much in my opening post about this.


2nd -no one is above criticism, and this is my criticism of him as a play caller and has been for some time now. Your ‘perfection’ analogy here make absolutely no sense. Me being critical of something is not the same as asking for perfection. This team hangs its hat on the defense, if the defense would have come up with a pick or forced fumble we’d all be comfortable saying this is what the Bears do, this defense is ‘special’, lean on your defense to win it and so on. But that didn’t happen tonight, and it’s my opinion that it didn’t happen because Fangio did not put his defense in the best position to stop a late drive the opponent needed to win.


I also criticized Nagy’s playcalling too.


And in case everyone missed it, here it is again flat out -this is a coaching loss. It’s not on Mitch, and it’s not on Parkey. Bad play calling lost us this game. And I’ll stand by this opinion.

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Mitch is not the qb at this point of career to single handly win games for you.


And yet, there they were because of him


They lost. I'm not saying it's all on him, but you're acting as though they won. Kickers don't automatically make kicks. He put them in a position to have a chance, perhaps. But I could argue that a 12-4 3-seed playing at home shouldn't have left it up to the kicker.

Look, I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to succeed as much as anyone else. On top of being the Bears QB, he seems like a genuinely good kid. And he has made progress. But I don't understand why some of you take any critique of him so personally. He still has a ways to go if he wants to live up to the expectations of a 2nd overall pick who was in the same class as Mahomes and Watson. It shouldn't be controversial to say that.

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That one touchdown was awesome.



Shit I already forgot how the Bears scored a TD tonight. Still can't remember it.


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Mitch is not the qb at this point of career to single handly win games for you.


And yet, there they were because of him


They lost. I'm not saying it's all on him, but you're acting as though they won. Kickers don't automatically make kicks. He put them in a position to have a chance, perhaps. But I could argue that a 12-4 3-seed playing at home shouldn't have left it up to the kicker.

Look, I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to succeed as much as anyone else. On top of being the Bears QB, he seems like a genuinely good kid. And he has made progress. But I don't understand why some of you take any critique of him so personally. He still has a ways to go if he wants to live up to the expectations of a 2nd overall pick who was in the same class as Mahomes and Watson. It shouldn't be controversial to say that.

I love Leash’s sports thoughts. Right on the money.

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That one touchdown was awesome.

And enough to win if the D dies their job.

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Mitch is not the qb at this point of career to single handly win games for you.


And yet, there they were because of him


They lost. I'm not saying it's all on him, but you're acting as though they won. Kickers don't automatically make kicks. He put them in a position to have a chance, perhaps. But I could argue that a 12-4 3-seed playing at home shouldn't have left it up to the kicker.

Look, I want (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to succeed as much as anyone else. On top of being the Bears QB, he seems like a genuinely good kid. And he has made progress. But I don't understand why some of you take any critique of him so personally. He still has a ways to go if he wants to live up to the expectations of a 2nd overall pick who was in the same class as Mahomes and Watson. It shouldn't be controversial to say that.

I love Leash’s sports thoughts. Right on the money.


Three home teams lost this weekend

I criticize Mitch often. He played fine today

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Score host is saying the kick was tipped. True?


Yep. Video showed it.


Does it show the trajectory changed?


Just getting a fingertip on it can change the speed/trajectory/rotation of the ball.

Could have helped the trajectory for all we know. Maybe it's WAY left without the two fingers.

Maybe the shocker would have put it right down the middle.


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If that ball goes thru and the Bears win nobody is talking about the offense or defense or special teams mistakes.

True. It was actually a pretty heroic game before that bullshit.

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I’m going to go with unattractive. Not that there’s anything wrong with that.

All I know is, if the D steps up and stops the Eagle on the the last TD, Parkey is not a factor.

Callahan and Jackson being out made all the difference on D. Burton being out on O was also big.

That little fuck Parkey should have won the game.

Agreed.

All 3 phases had a chance to win it. Offense goes 3 and out. Defense allows TD, special teams cant kick a FG.


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Complaining about (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is dumb. The guy had a touchdown drive in the 4tg quarter to put the Bears in the lead. Then he got the Bears in FG range after getting the ball with 50 seconds left. That's what you want your quarterback to do in the 4th quarter of a playoff game. Nagy, the defense or (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky aren't responsible for this loss. This is 100% on Parkey.

You can blame Parkey for the loss and still point out how Nagy and the offense could have been way better.


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Yards ain’t shit. I’m cherry picking stats. I’m all ears to hear your side of the argument that leads with something other than “I think”


Not sure who you're talking to, but the number 2 overall pick, with nearly two full seasons under his belt, must play better at home against a defense that you said all week sucked and a team that was supposedly afraid to come to Chicago. If the Eagles D was really that bad, the Bears should have put up 30 at home. They were also gifted a couple missed interceptions, including one that was thrown right to the Philly safety.


No, the story all week was how important playoff experience is and how it would be the deciding factor in the game. If this was mitch without experience I anxiously await the rest of his career


Oh, come on. People don't automatically get better with "playoff experience." Football is the same game in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

I will agree that QB's need experience in general, but Mitch is at the end of his second year. He has had his moments, but he played poorly today. As peeps said, I'm not sure how someone could have watched the game and thought he played particularly well. I'm rooting for the guy, obviously, but he needed to play better today.

Nagy handcuffed him with terrible over simplified play calling for 3 quarters.


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I’m not holding Fangio to an impossible standard at all. I’m asking for the coach to do what is necessary during a game to put his players in the best position to succeed. Not swapping Mack around more (when we saw him move Mack around all year) when Mack was clearly struggling against Peters, and not attacking an immobile QB up the middle to force him to move around more (for example) on key drives is not doing those things.


He did this in the Miami game as well as the games against the Patriots and the 1st Packers game.. You cannot sit back all the time and constantly give the opponent chances to pick you apart on defense in close games because this is what happens more often than not when you do. He was criticized for this in San Fran as well so this isn’t news breaking stuff I’m pointing out here.



The Bears D was the best in the NFL and Fangio is the architect. There is no perfect system and no perfect coach. I believe your baseline is perfection because even given criticisms here and there of Fangio he still was the best DC this year and you want him gone. Who do you want instead? There is no playcall to produce an interception when one is needed or a sack or whatever. Some guys make plays and sometimes they don't. Calls go your way and sometimes they don't. I think your argument assumes these guys are robots where you can program out errors. You can't. The game is flawed and shit happens.

At the end if the day if your DC led the league in the most essential statistical categories then you've got it good.




1st off, I didn’t say I wanted him gone. I said this is the issue I have with him as a coordinator and it’s what I won’t miss if he does leave.


I’d be just fine with him staying and said as much in my opening post about this.


2nd -no one is above criticism, and this is my criticism of him as a play caller and has been for some time now. Your ‘perfection’ analogy here make absolutely no sense. Me being critical of something is not the same as asking for perfection. This team hangs its hat on the defense, if the defense would have come up with a pick or forced fumble we’d all be comfortable saying this is what the Bears do, this defense is ‘special’, lean on your defense to win it and so on. But that didn’t happen tonight, and it’s my opinion that it didn’t happen because Fangio did not put his defense in the best position to stop a late drive the opponent needed to win.


I also criticized Nagy’s playcalling too.


And in case everyone missed it, here it is again flat out -this is a coaching loss. It’s not on Mitch, and it’s not on Parkey. Bad play calling lost us this game. And I’ll stand by this opinion.


I still think you're absolving the defense for responsibility over their own actions and instead transferring that responsibility to Fangio. There are a number of blitzes and prevent style coverages Fangio called late in the game that didn't produce sacks or INTs. Is that on Fangio? Khalil Mack was totally neutralized by that offense line. Is that on Fangio? Fangio can call whatever he want. There's no call in his playbook however that makes the Philly o line less talented.

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Yards ain’t shit. I’m cherry picking stats. I’m all ears to hear your side of the argument that leads with something other than “I think”


Not sure who you're talking to, but the number 2 overall pick, with nearly two full seasons under his belt, must play better at home against a defense that you said all week sucked and a team that was supposedly afraid to come to Chicago. If the Eagles D was really that bad, the Bears should have put up 30 at home. They were also gifted a couple missed interceptions, including one that was thrown right to the Philly safety.


No, the story all week was how important playoff experience is and how it would be the deciding factor in the game. If this was mitch without experience I anxiously await the rest of his career


Oh, come on. People don't automatically get better with "playoff experience." Football is the same game in the playoffs as it is in the regular season.

I will agree that QB's need experience in general, but Mitch is at the end of his second year. He has had his moments, but he played poorly today. As peeps said, I'm not sure how someone could have watched the game and thought he played particularly well. I'm rooting for the guy, obviously, but he needed to play better today.

Nagy handcuffed him with terrible over simplified play calling for 3 quarters.


I'm very skeptical of fans critiquing playcalling. To an extent, I think it can be valid, especially run/pass ratio. But we have no idea what the progressions on some of those passes are or if (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has options on the play call at the line or any number of things. Maybe the playcalling was the same as always but (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was being tentative and checking down or locking onto one guy. Additionally, playcalling critiques by fans tend to be contradictory. People yesterday were bitching that Nagy wasn't being aggressive while simultaneously bitching that they weren't running enough.

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I still think you're absolving the defense for responsibility over their own actions and instead transferring that responsibility to Fangio. There are a number of blitzes and prevent style coverages Fangio called late in the game that didn't produce sacks or INTs. Is that on Fangio? Khalil Mack was totally neutralized by that offense line. Is that on Fangio? Fangio can call whatever he want. There's no call in his playbook however that makes the Philly o line less talented.


They held the opposition to 16 points. That should be an automatic win. The offense did not do enough. Period. End of Story.


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