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I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).


I already provided a reason why it might be murky. You can either address it (you haven't) or not. I have not mentioned one thing related to the memo section. If you think that providing one statement to police and another to the grand jury isn't a problem then you're a bigger idiot than first anticipated. I say this knowing that it would difficult for you to pull off but not impossible. Continue to lie about the damn check memo. Its sort of what you always do anyway.

Your constant disregarding and dismissing of facts isn't making this a "better place" by the way.



I'm trying to figure out your theory of how this actually played out. Are you suggesting that he was coincidentally attacked by his personal trainers who screamed "MAGA!" at him in Nigerian accents and he thought it was two white guys?



I think he is lying about not coordinating the attack. The MAGA stuff is incidental and for some reason people continue to focus on that. It may or may not have been. That's hearsay evidence anyway. Guys in Ski Masks you may or may not have been able to id them. At this point we know who attacked him. Now you determine whether it was staged or not. I think it was staged but there are some things that don't add up.

1. Why would Jussie positively ID the guys if he already knew their identification?

2. One report says that the plan was hatched on Jan. 25. The check was dated for Jan 23 which sort of backs up the Personal Training angle.

3. Why would the two brothers provide conflicting statements regarding purpose of check?



What works against Ol Jussie is the fact that it would be difficult for the two guys to know where to find him in order to carry out the attack. No way they could have known that he would be ordering Subway at 2. A.M. on a cold ass night unless he told them.

Also no way that they would be carrying the items that they were carrying just to be carrying them.


Lastly why would they attack a guy that was potentially a cash cow for them? They seem as though they were in need of money. Why would they screw that up?

THere are other things such as the text messages and stuff, but these are some of the things that immediately jump out for me.
Jussie doesn’t strike me as being the sharpest knife in the marquee so I’m guessing he ID’d them thinking there’s no way the cops could trace those guys all the way back to him like they did so he saw no harm in saying “ yeah that’s them “ . As for everything else, they convicted Drew Petersen on a hell of a lot less circumstantial and hearsay evidence and this is without knowing just what the feds have about the letter being traced to him. Johnson said today there’s a lot more that they have on this that they haven’t released yet so I’m working under the supposition that the cops aren’t total buffoons on this .

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.

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I’m just spitballin’ here so forgive me but if Jussmanovich paid them the money for “ personal training” as he’s alleging , what was the need for Dikembe and Akeem to purchase the rope, bleach, ( which both ended up on Jussie somehow ) ski masks , etc ? 3rd world muscle building techniques ?


He paid them $100 cash for the supplies, but because the check said for personal training in the memo section it means this is now a murky case now according to some (one).
Also, how quickly "I'm not so quick to believe two guys who are trying to avoid jail time" becomes "I totally believe those two guys trying to avoid jail time when they say the check was for personal training".

And finally: If we assume the check really was for personal training, that alone doesn't raise reasonable doubt.


It casts doubt on what the police (Eddie Johnson) has said. Just like the stuff about the letter being contradicted by the feds. Cast enough doubt on what the top cop says, and you can get to reasonable doubt pretty quickly.

It's all bullshit posturing but it might work.

Reasonable doubt about what though ? Like JORR referenced above, does he really expect people to believe that it’s coincidence he was attacked by his personal trainers ?


That's what his lawyers would try to argue I'd imagine.

"The police said they had proof of this check being for the attack but it's clearly marked as being for training" or something like that.

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.

:lol:

I want to return to a simpler time when I had no idea who the fuck Jussie Smollett was.

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.

:lol:

I want to return to a simpler time when I had no idea who the fuck Jussie Smollett was.

Never gonna happen. Tawana Bradley wasn't/isn't a celebrity and people didn't hesitate to invoke her 3+ decades later

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.


If they have him like Johnson says they have him you know his lawyers will have him cop in order to avoid jail time. He will do a little community service and keep it moving.

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.


Would the fact that he previously gave a fake name to the police have any influence on the sentence? I honestly have no idea.

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.

:lol:

I want to return to a simpler time when I had no idea who the fuck Jussie Smollett was.

Never gonna happen. Tawana Bradley wasn't/isn't a celebrity and people didn't hesitate to invoke her 3+ decades later


Kicker is that she was a kid getting led around, this clown will be viewed as a pitiful, completely self centered joke.

And fwiw, I must admit to not remembering the details of the Brawley matter.

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I think he is lying about not coordinating the attack. The MAGA stuff is incidental and for some reason people continue to focus on that. It may or may not have been. That's hearsay evidence anyway. Guys in Ski Masks you may or may not have been able to id them. At this point we know who attacked him. Now you determine whether it was staged or not. I think it was staged but there are some things that don't add up.

1. Why would Jussie positively ID the guys if he already knew their identification?

2. One report says that the plan was hatched on Jan. 25. The check was dated for Jan 23 which sort of backs up the Personal Training angle.

3. Why would the two brothers provide conflicting statements regarding purpose of check?

What works against Ol Jussie is the fact that it would be difficult for the two guys to know where to find him in order to carry out the attack. No way they could have known that he would be ordering Subway at 2. A.M. on a cold ass night unless he told them.

Also no way that they would be carrying the items that they were carrying just to be carrying them.


Lastly why would they attack a guy that was potentially a cash cow for them? They seem as though they were in need of money. Why would they screw that up?

THere are other things such as the text messages and stuff, but these are some of the things that immediately jump out for me.



1. Jussie is an idiot who thought that the media would buy his story no matter what.

2. Jussie received the racist threat letter on January 22. He wrote the check on Jan 23. He was plotting something before the 25th.

3. Do you know exactly how the reports are different? I have not seen, but I would guess if you are a major source of income for someone you can ask them to do other favors for you.

Finally, the MAGA stuff is not "incidental". It's the entire reason why this attack was staged. To say otherwise is a lie. He needed to be a victim, and it had to be done to him by racist Trump supporters.

He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.


Would the fact that he previously gave a fake name to the police have any influence on the sentence? I honestly have no idea.


Possession of recreational amounts of marijuana cases have been getting tossed out in Cook county for over 15 years, no one will care, except to clear a calendar. Besides lying to or by the police isn't exactly uncommon around here.

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.


Would the fact that he previously gave a fake name to the police have any influence on the sentence? I honestly have no idea.


Possession of recreational amounts of marijuana cases have been getting tossed out in Cook county for over 15 years, no one will care, except to clear a calendar. Besides lying to or by the police isn't exactly uncommon around here.


This was a DUI somewhere in California. He gave them a different ID during the arrest. Got convicted of something else along with the DUI.

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LTG, why are you questioning the MAGA thing when the only way we know that is through Jussie himself?

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There are going to be a lot of bitter and irate posters around here when chicken shit Jussie ends up pleading guilty to a lesser charge, paying a stiff fine and getting easy probation. And returning to the obscurity from which he essentially came.


Would the fact that he previously gave a fake name to the police have any influence on the sentence? I honestly have no idea.


Possession of recreational amounts of marijuana cases have been getting tossed out in Cook county for over 15 years, no one will care, except to clear a calendar. Besides lying to or by the police isn't exactly uncommon around here.


This was a DUI somewhere in California. He gave them a different ID during the arrest. Got convicted of something else along with the DUI.


I presume that the public attorneys at 26th street still push around the carts filled with daily case files of far more serious crimes, I doubt there's room for his, despite his lies.

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LTG, why are you questioning the MAGA thing when the only way we know that is through Jussie himself?


It was a really stupid embellishment on Jussie's part. :lol: :lol:

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LTG, why are you questioning the MAGA thing when the only way we know that is through Jussie himself?


I'm really not. If he lied about it does it change the entire case? People seem to think so. If you use the same logic about the check then shouldn't it change perceptions about the case also? You have people completely disregarding it as if it is significant. The check was used as compensation for the attack initially and now the two brothers change their story when presented with possible perjury charges.

MAGA may have been said. It might have been two Nigerians that said it however. If the MAGA thing completely blows his story out the water then claiming you were paid to attack the guy when you weren't should blow the two brothers story out of the water also.

The check was supposed to be the smoking gun in all of this. Now it is being treated as if it is no big deal. It is a big deal if they lied about it.

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They should just ban him from Chicago like they banned Ozzie from San Antonio when he pissed on the Alamo.

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I think he is lying about not coordinating the attack. The MAGA stuff is incidental and for some reason people continue to focus on that. It may or may not have been. That's hearsay evidence anyway. Guys in Ski Masks you may or may not have been able to id them. At this point we know who attacked him. Now you determine whether it was staged or not. I think it was staged but there are some things that don't add up.

1. Why would Jussie positively ID the guys if he already knew their identification?

2. One report says that the plan was hatched on Jan. 25. The check was dated for Jan 23 which sort of backs up the Personal Training angle.

3. Why would the two brothers provide conflicting statements regarding purpose of check?

What works against Ol Jussie is the fact that it would be difficult for the two guys to know where to find him in order to carry out the attack. No way they could have known that he would be ordering Subway at 2. A.M. on a cold ass night unless he told them.

Also no way that they would be carrying the items that they were carrying just to be carrying them.


Lastly why would they attack a guy that was potentially a cash cow for them? They seem as though they were in need of money. Why would they screw that up?

THere are other things such as the text messages and stuff, but these are some of the things that immediately jump out for me.



1. Jussie is an idiot who thought that the media would buy his story no matter what.

2. Jussie received the racist threat letter on January 22. He wrote the check on Jan 23. He was plotting something before the 25th.

3. Do you know exactly how the reports are different? I have not seen, but I would guess if you are a major source of income for someone you can ask them to do other favors for you.

Finally, the MAGA stuff is not "incidental". It's the entire reason why this attack was staged. To say otherwise is a lie. He needed to be a victim, and it had to be done to him by racist Trump supporters.

He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


He said they were white and id'd them from the cameras of the area (I believe). Probably thought they would never track them down.

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Peace Out.

Ignorance. You know of one interaction where I chose not to engage a racist redneck. That you try to make that seem like a big deal is very telling. Says a lot about where you are coming from.


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Yeah, that's what I wrote, but that's not what I meant! It's just a discussion starter!

Except I literally did not write anything.

WfR posted the article and quote.

I then asked if people thought the quote was legit. That's it.

But I understand you have your hands full with LTG.


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I think he is lying about not coordinating the attack. The MAGA stuff is incidental and for some reason people continue to focus on that. It may or may not have been. That's hearsay evidence anyway. Guys in Ski Masks you may or may not have been able to id them. At this point we know who attacked him. Now you determine whether it was staged or not. I think it was staged but there are some things that don't add up.

1. Why would Jussie positively ID the guys if he already knew their identification?

2. One report says that the plan was hatched on Jan. 25. The check was dated for Jan 23 which sort of backs up the Personal Training angle.

3. Why would the two brothers provide conflicting statements regarding purpose of check?

What works against Ol Jussie is the fact that it would be difficult for the two guys to know where to find him in order to carry out the attack. No way they could have known that he would be ordering Subway at 2. A.M. on a cold ass night unless he told them.

Also no way that they would be carrying the items that they were carrying just to be carrying them.


Lastly why would they attack a guy that was potentially a cash cow for them? They seem as though they were in need of money. Why would they screw that up?

THere are other things such as the text messages and stuff, but these are some of the things that immediately jump out for me.



1. Jussie is an idiot who thought that the media would buy his story no matter what.

2. Jussie received the racist threat letter on January 22. He wrote the check on Jan 23. He was plotting something before the 25th.

3. Do you know exactly how the reports are different? I have not seen, but I would guess if you are a major source of income for someone you can ask them to do other favors for you.

Finally, the MAGA stuff is not "incidental". It's the entire reason why this attack was staged. To say otherwise is a lie. He needed to be a victim, and it had to be done to him by racist Trump supporters.

He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


He said they were white and id'd them from the cameras of the area (I believe). Probably thought they would never track them down.



Yeah he may have thought that but it was pretty stupid to repeatedly say that he knew they were the ones to do it. The better play was to say you were attacked hope they never find the guys. No cameras could verify it and all you have is the court of public opinion to go off of. i would rather take my chances with that as opposed to what he is facing now.

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He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


How would they know he was a homosexual if they just attacked him for a minute? They would only know that if they knew him. And the only way it's a hate crime is is they used slurs, which included the MAGA country comment.

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He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


How would they know he was a homosexual if they just attacked him for a minute? They would only know that if they knew him. And the only way it's a hate crime is is they used slurs, which included the MAGA country comment.



They would know that because he is that gay dude from Empire remember? If they referred to him as a f****t that is a slur in of itself. He said they called him that also. Empire isn't all that obscure. There are people that would be familiar with him.

Why would the brothers tell conflicting stories? One to the Police and one to the Grand Jury? I haven't been provided with a rationale for that one just yet.

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WaitingforRuffcorn wrote:
long time guy wrote:
He is homosexual and he didn't need the MAGA angle in order to make it a hate crime. There is no way to prove whether MAGA country was said or not. That is why it is incidental.

He positively ID'd the two guys that carried out the attack. You don't do that if they are in on the attack. It was stupid of him to make them a "person of interest" if he happened to be aware of their role in it already. I knew they'd fold under questioning and said so before it happened. He should have known that also.


How would they know he was a homosexual if they just attacked him for a minute? They would only know that if they knew him. And the only way it's a hate crime is is they used slurs, which included the MAGA country comment.



They would know that because he is that gay dude from Empire remember? If they referred to him as a f****t that is a slur in of itself. He said they called him that also. Empire isn't all that obscure. There are people that would be familiar with him.

Why would the brothers tell conflicting stories? One to the Police and one to the Grand Jury? I haven't been provided with a rationale for that one just yet.


Do you know for certain that the stories were in conflict? Or are they being interpreted differently?

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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The check was supposed to be the smoking gun in all of this. Now it is being treated as if it is no big deal. It is a big deal if they lied about it.


If he had written similar checks to them in the past for training, I'd say there would be some doubt regarding the purpose of the check. But if this was the first check, and they were the ones who attacked him, it really doesn't matter what he wrote in the memo section.

I agree that his better play would have been not to ID them, but if you think about it, the check itself probably would have led police to interview them eventually. So it was just stupid all around.

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 Post subject: Re: Jussie Smollet
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Looks like he fired my guy and went with some national guy. Not surprising that a guy who did all this for publicity would think that getting a high priced national attorney is better than going with one of one of Chicago's top criminal guys (who is also well known nationally) in the same jurisdiction you are charged in.

Hopefully my guy was able to get a nice retainer for 2 weeks of talking to reporters.

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