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Concern trolling, that's some quality posting.

I enjoy the strategy. Pace is in a really tough spot. The defense is historically good so far. Does he let pride get in the way?


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Remember when Kirkwood used to be funny?


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I think Mitch hate has gone off the rails. He was developing nicely as last year progressed. The first two looks at him this year just happened to be the buzzsaw that is the Packers d and a traditionally tough situation in Denver's home opener.

He played well against the Redskins. I expect to see him continue to get better and be a better than competent QB.

Whatever you thought of him coming into this year is the esteem you should hold him in now.


Go take a look at that Redskins game again. While (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky completed a high percentage of his passes during that contest, he wasn't hitting receivers in stride most of the time, even on easy short routes. His inaccuracy combined with his reading comprehension deficiencies make him an albatross the Bears cannot afford to carry during what may be a very small Superbowl window.

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I don't think we need to target a great QB at this moment, we need to target a better QB. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing like a journeyman QB, in fact that's probably his future, so I disagree with the way you frame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as if he's self-evidently better than any journeyman QB.
Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.

I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.

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It seems to me that the overwhelming progress (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky made in year two was wrapped up in the Tampa Bay game.

He remains exactly what TM described him as imo.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I don't think we need to target a great QB at this moment, we need to target a better QB. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing like a journeyman QB, in fact that's probably his future, so I disagree with the way you frame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as if he's self-evidently better than any journeyman QB.
Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.

I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.



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Who was re-upped by the Saints even before the draft, so he wasn't a real option either.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I don't think we need to target a great QB at this moment, we need to target a better QB. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing like a journeyman QB, in fact that's probably his future, so I disagree with the way you frame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as if he's self-evidently better than any journeyman QB.
Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.

I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.



Teddy B
That was a far bigger risk than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and pretty expensive for a backup quarterback. Would you rather have Clinton-Dix and Patterson or Teddy B? That would have been about the same price.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I don't think we need to target a great QB at this moment, we need to target a better QB. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing like a journeyman QB, in fact that's probably his future, so I disagree with the way you frame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as if he's self-evidently better than any journeyman QB.
Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.

I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.



Teddy B
That was a far bigger risk than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and pretty expensive for a backup quarterback. Would you rather have Clinton-Dix and Patterson or Teddy B? That would have been about the same price.



Id be losing Daniel salary for 5.5 million, TB would come here over Nola.. He knew he could take Mitch job easily.

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312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
312player wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I don't think we need to target a great QB at this moment, we need to target a better QB. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing like a journeyman QB, in fact that's probably his future, so I disagree with the way you frame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as if he's self-evidently better than any journeyman QB.
Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.

I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.



Teddy B
That was a far bigger risk than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and pretty expensive for a backup quarterback. Would you rather have Clinton-Dix and Patterson or Teddy B? That would have been about the same price.



Id be losing Daniel salary for 5.5 million, TB would come here over Nola.. He knew he could take Mitch job easily.

That is true

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Pace has no plan B.. He's so sure that Mitch is the answer he's got blinders on.

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It seems to me that the overwhelming progress (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky made in year two was wrapped up in the Tampa Bay game.

He remains exactly what TM described him as imo.


He was absolutely average last year aside from in the two minute/hurry scenarios where he was significantly better than average, bordering on elite. The Tampa game remains the sole outlier to the 2+ seasons of stats we have on him. And Tampa just about quit that game. Total mental collapse.

In a system that requires some serious mental chops before the snap and in the pocket afterwards, you absolutely worry about the fit of a guy who appears to play better when he stops thinking and just makes plays while mostly on move.

Pace mostly filled the glaring roster holes. Next draft might still be a stretch but after that it is time for him to start drafting a QB every year, like he said he would.

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Almost have to draft a developmental QB every couple of years. Luck early retirement is likely a harbinger of the NFL's future, especially now that more is know about CTE, making it important to always have a developing QB prospect on your roster.


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The plan to draft a QB every year was a good one. Unfortunately they haven't followed through with it.

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The plan to draft a QB every year was a good one. Unfortunately they haven't followed through with it.

Well Pace has used three picks on the quarterback position so we have that going for us.

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Like the LSU QB, but no way he slips into second round. Plenty of college teams running similar systems, draft pick may understand offense better than Mitch on day one.


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I actually think the decision has been mostly made to give up on Mitch unless he comes back and looks like something we've only seen brief glimpses of or the Bears make a run and win it all. The hit from the fifth year option is massive and he's clearly not worth extending. Nagy very clearly has had enough of him but the rest of the team is so good they've arranged to publicly put faith in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky just to keep from rocking the boat.

Foles, Carr and Rivers will all be available this off-season either by trade or FA. The Bears will get one of them.


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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
veganfan21 wrote:
I don't think we need to target a great QB at this moment, we need to target a better QB. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is playing like a journeyman QB, in fact that's probably his future, so I disagree with the way you frame (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky as if he's self-evidently better than any journeyman QB.
Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.

I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.


My take now is more about the front office's view on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. If they still think he's worth waiting on then theyve condemned the franchise to 5-7 years of mediocrity despite an all-world defense. This guy is not worth wasting that defense.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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Who would you have gotten last year that was a clear upgrade over (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky? You would have had to pay him more money and maybe lose some picks.
I mean, of course we would rather have Mahomes or Tom Brady but the reality is they drafted (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, he made good progress from year 1 to year 2, and the other options were seemingly trading or signing Flacco or Case Keenum.
Teddy B
That was a far bigger risk than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky, and pretty expensive for a backup quarterback. Would you rather have Clinton-Dix and Patterson or Teddy B? That would have been about the same price.



Id be losing Daniel salary for 5.5 million, TB would come here over Nola.. He knew he could take Mitch job easily.

That is true
Daniels was signed to a two year deal, so even if you "lost" his $5.5 mil salary, you would still have the cap hit which would have effected the ability to sign Dix and Patterson. I will state again that Bridgewater was signed by the Saints in March, well before the draft even. With what the Bears did at QB last season, why would you go after another QB in March?

The Bears getting Bridgewater was a fantasy the way things were lined out. It was never going to happen. That doesn't mean I think it would have been a bad move, but there was just no possible way it could have happened unless Daniels retired or something crazy like that.

Now, Bridgewater is on a one year deal with the Saints so if her performs well in the absence of Brees, and the Bears decide to target him this offseason and open things up for him and Mitch for a QB Competition in training camp, I would say that is a smart thing to do. The only fly in the ointment there would be that Daniels gets 3-4 starts and just sets the stat sheet on fire and slings the ball all over the place.

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The only fly in the ointment there would be that Daniels gets 3-4 starts and just sets the stat sheet on fire and slings the ball all over the place.

:lol: I don't think you have to worry about that

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Probably not, but few thought Josh McGowan was capable of doing what he did.

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I actually think the decision has been mostly made to give up on Mitch unless he comes back and looks like something we've only seen brief glimpses of or the Bears make a run and win it all. The hit from the fifth year option is massive and he's clearly not worth extending. Nagy very clearly has had enough of him but the rest of the team is so good they've arranged to publicly put faith in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky just to keep from rocking the boat.

Foles, Carr and Rivers will all be available this off-season either by trade or FA. The Bears will get one of them.

This would be logical. The Bears have a history of not being logical.

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I actually think the decision has been mostly made to give up on Mitch unless he comes back and looks like something we've only seen brief glimpses of or the Bears make a run and win it all. The hit from the fifth year option is massive and he's clearly not worth extending. Nagy very clearly has had enough of him but the rest of the team is so good they've arranged to publicly put faith in (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky just to keep from rocking the boat.

Foles, Carr and Rivers will all be available this off-season either by trade or FA. The Bears will get one of them.


Lets see. You are throwing this guy outside in his 3rd year of being a quarterback and has a terrific won/loss percentage in the league. I'd say that is a pretty bad decision and it will not be made by Pace and the Bears. He's a very athletic quarterback who has played pretty well over-all. He's not Mahomes but no one in the NFL is better than Mahomes. They will keep him and continue to develop him. What they need and I have been calling for this for years is to find two good offensive tackles and a dependable tight end. Our production out of those three positions is weak and accounts for the very poor running game and spotty pass protection.

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I disagree with the premise of this thread. The more (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky keeps getting injured, the easier it will be for Pace and the organization to move on from him, because the injuries will provide him cover. They should not even be thinking about giving him another contract at this point. If Pace does give (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky a big contract, and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky still sucks, that will get Pace fired. I think he knows that. It will be the second QB he's gotten wrong after Glennon, which was a massive error.

The (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky era may be coming to an end sooner than we think. Bears should trade for Tannehill or draft another QB. Eli wouldn't be bad, but he's old.


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I officially recant my opinion about Eli Manning.

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Pace has no plan B.. He's so sure that Mitch is the answer he's got blinders on.


In this day an age in the NFL, there really is not any so-called "Plan B" for quarterbacks unless you want to spend a ton of money on the position. Can you name the teams that have a so-called "Plan B" that are contenders in the NFL? And especially contenders. With the salary cap in the NFL, teams do not really have the Luxury of keeping two quarterbacks who are high draft picks on their team.

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It seems to me that the overwhelming progress (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky made in year two was wrapped up in the Tampa Bay game.

He remains exactly what TM described him as imo.


He was absolutely average last year aside from in the two minute/hurry scenarios where he was significantly better than average, bordering on elite. The Tampa game remains the sole outlier to the 2+ seasons of stats we have on him. And Tampa just about quit that game. Total mental collapse.

In a system that requires some serious mental chops before the snap and in the pocket afterwards, you absolutely worry about the fit of a guy who appears to play better when he stops thinking and just makes plays while mostly on move.

Pace mostly filled the glaring roster holes. Next draft might still be a stretch but after that it is time for him to start drafting a QB every year, like he said he would.


I remember Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky absolutely winning games with his arm and his legs. To listen to some on this board you'd think that he has been a disaster as quarterback. Why is that? Does anyone realistically remember how shitty the Bear's quarterbacks have been like for the last 30 years or so?

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