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 Post subject: Re: Khalil Mack Thread
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The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.
So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

:lol: It's really not that complicated.

Simply put, Gruden wasn't going to pay a defensive player that kind of dough, especially when there were so many needs to address. The irony is the Raiders drafted horribly in rounds 2-4 for a number of years, unlike the Bears.

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Furious Styles wrote:
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The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.
So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

:lol: It's really not that complicated.

Simply put, Gruden wasn't going to pay a defensive player that kind of dough, especially when there were so many needs to address. The irony is the Raiders drafted horribly in rounds 2-4 for a number of years, unlike the Bears.

So, it sounds like the meatball narrative that the Raiders won't be good in 2019 was understandable.

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.
So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

:lol: It's really not that complicated.

Simply put, Gruden wasn't going to pay a defensive player that kind of dough, especially when there were so many needs to address. The irony is the Raiders drafted horribly in rounds 2-4 for a number of years, unlike the Bears.

So, it sounds like the meatball narrative that the Raiders won't be good in 2019 was understandable.

Broncos suck, Chargers are frauds, and all of KC's best players are violent criminals getting kicked off the team. Everything points to it being the Raiders year in 2019. Just win baby.

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I see what you did there, Rick. :lol:

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No one is saying the Bears made a mistake other than Rube.


And the sports analytics community at MIT, who gave the award for best trade to the Raiders. And also Furious Styles and FavreFan.
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 Post subject: Re: Khalil Mack Thread
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​​When it comes to analytics, the experts at Sloan clearly value draft picks, smaller contracts and full, unabashed rebuilds rather than half-hearted attempts to feign at competing. From this perspective, it makes sense as to why the ​Raiders would have needed to trade Mack.

Due to his dominance and relentlessly consistent production off the edge, he would have required a large contract, which isn't favored by the the Sloan number-crunchers. In addition, the Raiders received a package that included two first-rounders, which will help them either stock up on talent in the upcoming drafts or use them in subsequent trades to sign important players. Finally, the Raiders' cap space gives them flexibility, which is something they wouldn't have had if they had kept ​Mack.
Eat shit, Rube. Eat a giant, steaming bowl of freshly dropped shit.


I'm still waiting for Mack to play all four quarters of a game.
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Dignified Rube wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
No one is saying the Bears made a mistake other than Rube.


And the sports analytics community at MIT, who gave the award for best trade to the Raiders. And also Furious Styles and FavreFan.

A trade isn't zero-sum. Both sides benefited
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 Post subject: Re: Khalil Mack Thread
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Dignified Rube wrote:
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No one is saying the Bears made a mistake other than Rube.


And the sports analytics community at MIT, who gave the award for best trade to the Raiders. And also Furious Styles and FavreFan.

I don't think the Bears made a mistake. I think they paid a fair, albeit very high, price for a game changing player.

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Dignified Rube wrote:
Kirkwood wrote:
No one is saying the Bears made a mistake other than Rube.


And the sports analytics community at MIT, who gave the award for best trade to the Raiders. And also Furious Styles and FavreFan.

I won an award from MIT? Kickass!

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Dignified Rube wrote:
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​​When it comes to analytics, the experts at Sloan clearly value draft picks, smaller contracts and full, unabashed rebuilds rather than half-hearted attempts to feign at competing. From this perspective, it makes sense as to why the ​Raiders would have needed to trade Mack.

Due to his dominance and relentlessly consistent production off the edge, he would have required a large contract, which isn't favored by the the Sloan number-crunchers. In addition, the Raiders received a package that included two first-rounders, which will help them either stock up on talent in the upcoming drafts or use them in subsequent trades to sign important players. Finally, the Raiders' cap space gives them flexibility, which is something they wouldn't have had if they had kept ​Mack.
Eat shit, Rube. Eat a giant, steaming bowl of freshly dropped shit.


I'm still waiting for Mack to play all four quarters of a game.


I'm sure that you do. In the meantime, the entire Bear's defense feeds off of this "part time" player and is the best defense in the entire NFL. No team has shit their pants more in NFL history than the Raiders in the modern football age.

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Look at this clown!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/282 ... mack-trade

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Look at this clown!

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/282 ... mack-trade

Same :(

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Nagy told reporters that Mack was lifting weights during the super bowl. That is the dedication I like in my players...as long as we aren't playing in it.

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Nagy told reporters that Mack was lifting weights during the super bowl. That is the dedication I like in my players...as long as we aren't playing in it.

I’m picturing a very angry workout and the crushed skull of parkey on the floor
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Nagy told reporters that Mack was lifting weights during the super bowl. That is the dedication I like in my players...as long as we aren't playing in it.


That's exactly the problem. He should have been on the treadmill instead.
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I like the way Pagano uses him a lot more than how Fangio did.
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It looks like you overpaid for Mack now.

The Raiders have your 1st round pick for next year, and you don't have an O-Line or a QB. Your receivers aren't too good either.
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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
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The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.
So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

:lol: It's really not that complicated.

Simply put, Gruden wasn't going to pay a defensive player that kind of dough, especially when there were so many needs to address. The irony is the Raiders drafted horribly in rounds 2-4 for a number of years, unlike the Bears.

So, it sounds like the meatball narrative that the Raiders won't be good in 2019 was understandable.

:lol:

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Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Furious Styles wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Furious Styles wrote:
The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.
So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

:lol: It's really not that complicated.

Simply put, Gruden wasn't going to pay a defensive player that kind of dough, especially when there were so many needs to address. The irony is the Raiders drafted horribly in rounds 2-4 for a number of years, unlike the Bears.

So, it sounds like the meatball narrative that the Raiders won't be good in 2019 was understandable.


Wasn't one of the stories back then that the cash poor Raiders didn't have funds available to put into escrow for the guaranteed portion of his contract? Which seems odd given that the NFL cuts each team a yearly check for a quarter billion just from tv revenue.

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Rick didn't get any traction with that.

He's running with the "farm team" thing now. :lol:

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Furious Styles wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Furious Styles wrote:
Boilermaker Rick wrote:
Furious Styles wrote:
The meatball narrative was that the 2nd round pick the Bears received was really like a first-round pick because the Raiders would be tanking. Clearly they aren't tanking. They still have plenty of $ left to spent in FA, 4 of the top 35 draft picks and Mayock looks like he knows what he is doing.
So why did they trade away Mack if the goal was to win in 2019? Sounds like a poor plan.

:lol: It's really not that complicated.

Simply put, Gruden wasn't going to pay a defensive player that kind of dough, especially when there were so many needs to address. The irony is the Raiders drafted horribly in rounds 2-4 for a number of years, unlike the Bears.

So, it sounds like the meatball narrative that the Raiders won't be good in 2019 was understandable.

:lol:

What is funny?

Are the Raiders trying to win this year?

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Rick didn't get any traction with that.

He's running with the "farm team" thing now. :lol:

I'm pretty sure someone else said that.

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the new narrative is that Mack did not want to play for Gruden.

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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

You've been trolling pretty hard the last 36 hours, but this is a terrible post. Not for a second do I question the Bears effort or will to win. They were out classed and outplayed yesterday. That is on players' lack of execution and coaches not making adjustments or not having the right gameplan in place.

If the Bears really had no desire to win, they would have folded up shop when they were down 14-0 and started looking forward to their bye week. Given that they came back and held the lead for a good chunk of the second half, shows they had the desire to win yesterday.

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That's nice, Frank.

But I was asking Rick.

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the new narrative is that Mack did not want to play for Gruden.

The narrative should be that Mack doesn't want to play when Gruden is in the same stadium, based on his effort yesterday.

Raiders offense thought it was a walk-through. Show up and score points.

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That's correct, Frank.
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Did you watch the game, Rick?

If you did, you would only be questioning one team's desire to win and it wouldn't be the RAIDERS.

If they are trying to win now then trading Mack was pretty dumb.

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