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So, if the Bears offense would still suck regardless of who the QB is...then you might as well draft one next year and bring in a FA.

The current QB isn't helping this offense either. Maybe a solid O-Line and a TE makes all the difference, but those overthrows, not going through reads, and flat our missing wide open WR's, isn't an O-line or TE problem. It's a Mitch problem.


If the Bears changed nothing and simply just brought in another guy then maybe MANY of you would recognize that (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky wasn't in the top 4 or 5 when it comes to this team's problems.

(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was more good than bad over the past 7 games and possibly more great than bad over the past 5 games or so. Simply watching the games would confirm this.

The KC game stands out. He was atrocious in that game. Other than that he’s played ok lately.


He was awful. I don't think he turned the ball over but it was awful. I included that game in the equation.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was more good than bad over the past 7 games


65.1 (Rams)
69.0 (Giants)
118.1 (Detroit)
115.5 (Dallas)
64.5 (Packers)
65.4 (Chiefs) QBR was 5.6 (!)
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Other than that he’s played ok lately.
Against the Lions twice, the Giants, the hapless Cowboys, and Vikings second stringers.

When the chips were on the table and they needed Mitch to step up and have big games against the Packers, the Charges, the Saints (off a bye), the Eagles, and Rams, he completely sucked.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was more good than bad over the past 7 games


65.1 (Rams)
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118.1 (Detroit)
115.5 (Dallas)
64.5 (Packers)
65.4 (Chiefs)
84.0 (Vikings scrubs)


NAS is just saying shit and hoping it sticks. It doesn't. Actual football players agree that Mitch sucks:

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The play of Mitch (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has been a hot-button topic since he took over as the Bears’ starting quarterback last season.

Last year, he was a polarizing figure with the Bears going 12-4 and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky showing flashes of good and bad plays. This year, with the Bears out of the playoffs before the final two games of the season, the narrative on (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky is more consistently negative.

Four former Bears, Lance Briggs, Alex Brown, Matt Forte and Olin Kreutz, gave their opinions of (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky on the Football Aftershow after the Bears beat the Vikings in the season finale. They didn’t hold back.

Lance Briggs: "I think we all have a good idea of who he is as a football player. He’s probably a fine fellow off the field. He’s probably a fine guy, nice enough, but I know who he is as a football player... He’s a quarterback that doesn’t read defenses very well, can create more time with his feet and if there’s guys that are wide open he can find ways to get the ball to him. Not consistent."


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Alex Brown: “He’s a quarterback that you need to surround him with talent in order for that team to win. I don’t think he makes guys better and I don’t want that guy as my quarterback if I am building my team around the quarterback position. Now, if you want to build your team around the defense and running the football, he can help you win. He can because then you’ll be forced to run the ball and then go off of play-action, getting him out of the pocket, stuff like that. But if you’re going to have him throw the ball 40-45 times a game, he’s not the guy. He’s just not. That didn’t take this year. They could have said that 16 games ago. He’s just not the guy for me.”

Matt Forte: “As a football player I think Mitch is the picture of inconsistency at quarterback. It’s not like he doesn’t have weapons. You got Allen Robinson. You actually have a good running back if they would use him and they have to find a way to use Tarik to help him out. Guys like Taylor Gabriel have been injured, but you have some weapons out there. He’s the picture of inconsistency at quarterback. He is a guy who you can protect or kind of hide with a run game, kind of like how Kirk Cousins does. You’re not going to put him out there and say ‘Go win the game.’ That’s not the guy. In the grand scheme of things, Mitch is a serviceable backup in the NFL. I don’t think he’s a starter.”


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Olin Kreutz: “After this year you feel like he doesn’t have it. When you watched him play, you just don’t... He doesn’t have good awareness in the pocket. He doesn’t process information well right now. You got to run the ball and get him on the move for him to have any success.

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While you do the opposite. Point the finger and everyone and everything except the elephant in the room.


No, I've pointed out his shortcomings and even said that despite some flashes I don't expect him to become a great quarterback but simply a player that you can win with and occasionally win because of. You should probably read the original post in this thread.

Even if you removed (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky and inserted whatever reject that you love the Bears offense would still suck. The quarterback isn't holding this team or offense back. The irrational hate MANY of you all have for (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky prevents you from seeing this.


We're talking about scoring 11 points against GB, 18 against SD, and 18 against the Rams. You do that and we're 11-5. That's not that difficult, even if the TEs and o-line suck. He did hold the offense back.


This isn't basketball where 1 player can make the difference between winning and losing. That being said (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky wasn't good in 2 of those games. He'll blame injury for his performance against the Rams. The Chargers game was lost for similar reasons as the Eagles playoff game. The defense wet the bed late and gave back a lead. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky led the offense down the field late (like he always does) and put them in position to win. The kicker missed an easy 40 yard kick.


So let me get this straight.

Chargers average 21 ppg. Bears hold them to 17
Chargers average 276 pass yards per game. Bears hold them to 201 and intercept the ball once.
Chargers average 90 rushing yards per game and the Bears hold them to 36.

And now Nas says the defense is actually at fault for losing and not (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. :lol:

Why don't you try telling this to a Bears player on defense and see how they'd respond.


You play the game in front of you. The Bears dominated the ToP IIRC and had a lead of or than 7 points in the 2nd half IIRC. Expecting a great defense to hold a 7+ point lead in the 2nd half shouldn't be too much to ask. Asking a kicker to make a 40 yard kick shouldn't be too much to ask either. Not kneeling with 40 seconds also shouldn't be too much to ask.

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You play the game in front of you. The Bears dominated the ToP IIRC and had a lead of or than 7 points in the 2nd half IIRC. Expecting a great defense to hold a 7+ point lead in the 2nd half shouldn't be too much to ask. Asking a kicker to make a 40 yard kick shouldn't be too much to ask either. Not kneeling with 40 seconds also shouldn't be too much to ask.
Asking your quarterback to NOT have two 4th quarter turnovers shouldn't be too much to ask either. Keep ignoring the elephant in the room.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was more good than bad over the past 7 games


65.1 (Rams)
69.0 (Giants)
118.1 (Detroit)
115.5 (Dallas)
64.5 (Packers)
65.4 (Chiefs) QBR was 5.6 (!)
84.0 (Vikings scrubs)


There's no one who watched the Giants or Packers game that would say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was bad. Chiefs game? Absolutely. Rams game? Yes. There is a Lions game missing too.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was more good than bad over the past 7 games


65.1 (Rams)
69.0 (Giants)
118.1 (Detroit)
115.5 (Dallas)
64.5 (Packers)
65.4 (Chiefs) QBR was 5.6 (!)
84.0 (Vikings scrubs)


You beat me to it. The funny thing is his QBR was pretty much in line for the whole season...he didn't suddenly figure it out like Mitch's Bitches would have you believe.

The first 8 games: 62, 70, 116, 70, 86, 75, 67, 131.

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You play the game in front of you. The Bears dominated the ToP IIRC and had a lead of or than 7 points in the 2nd half IIRC. Expecting a great defense to hold a 7+ point lead in the 2nd half shouldn't be too much to ask. Asking a kicker to make a 40 yard kick shouldn't be too much to ask either. Not kneeling with 40 seconds also shouldn't be too much to ask.
Asking your quarterback to NOT have two 4th quarter turnovers shouldn't be too much to ask either. Keep ignoring the elephant in the room.


Did he put the Bears in a reasonable position to win? If I look at the game thread I doubt that you blamed him for the loss.

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Their greatest challenge is to deconstruct the offense’s complex, interconnected problems, from the unproven game plans and erratic quarterback play to the void at tight end and countless lost blocks by the line.

Think of it like a cake that was supposed to be delicious but came out of the oven tasting foul. How do you separate the ingredients in the batter to figure out if the eggs were spoiled, the flour was contaminated or the milk was sour?


Is Mitch the spoiled eggs, contaminated flour, or sour milk? :lol:

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There's no one who watched the Giants or Packers game that would say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was bad.
I suppose if you only watched the 4th quarter of the Packers game, you could say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played well. But you play the game that is front of you, right? Here is what the mighty Mitch lead offense did with their first eight drives of that game;

6 plays, 18 yards, punt
3 plays, -9 yards, punt
3 plays, 5 yards, punt
15 plays, 49 yards, turnover on downs
8 plays, 52 yards, field goal
1 play, 0 yards, interception
6 plays, 41 yards, turnover on downs
3 plays, 8 yards, punt

I don't know about you Nas, but myself and the rest of the smart football fans on this board would not say that 164 yards and 3 points thru three quarters of football is playing well. Certainly not in a division game with your playoff lives on the line.

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(Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was more good than bad over the past 7 games


65.1 (Rams)
69.0 (Giants)
118.1 (Detroit)
115.5 (Dallas)
64.5 (Packers)
65.4 (Chiefs) QBR was 5.6 (!)
84.0 (Vikings scrubs)


You beat me to it. The funny thing is his QBR was pretty much in line for the whole season...he didn't suddenly figure it out like Mitch's Bitches would have you believe.

The first 8 games: 62, 70, 116, 70, 86, 75, 67, 131.


In his final 8 games he had 14 total touchdowns and 7 interceptions (One was a pointless hailmary). That was also true before the final 2 games. He had 5 touchdowns and 3 interceptions in his first 6 games. The Vikings game is excluded because he only threw 3 passes.

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There's no one who watched the Giants or Packers game that would say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was bad.
I suppose if you only watched the 4th quarter of the Packers game, you could say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played well. But you play the game that is front of you, right? Here is what the mighty Mitch lead offense did with their first eight drives of that game;

6 plays, 18 yards, punt
3 plays, -9 yards, punt
3 plays, 5 yards, punt
15 plays, 49 yards, turnover on downs
8 plays, 52 yards, field goal
1 play, 0 yards, interception
6 plays, 41 yards, turnover on downs
3 plays, 8 yards, punt

I don't know about you Nas, but myself and the rest of the smart football fans on this board would not say that 164 yards and 3 points thru three quarters of football is playing well. Certainly not in a division game with your playoff lives on the line.


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Did he put the Bears in a reasonable position to win? If I look at the game thread I doubt that you blamed him for the loss.
You did;
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There's no one who watched the Giants or Packers game that would say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky was bad.
I suppose if you only watched the 4th quarter of the Packers game, you could say (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky played well. But you play the game that is front of you, right? Here is what the mighty Mitch lead offense did with their first eight drives of that game;

6 plays, 18 yards, punt
3 plays, -9 yards, punt
3 plays, 5 yards, punt
15 plays, 49 yards, turnover on downs
8 plays, 52 yards, field goal
1 play, 0 yards, interception
6 plays, 41 yards, turnover on downs
3 plays, 8 yards, punt

I don't know about you Nas, but myself and the rest of the smart football fans on this board would not say that 164 yards and 3 points thru three quarters of football is playing well. Certainly not in a division game with your playoff lives on the line.

Looks like a dominant defensive performance to me. Hard to blame Mitch for that. Sometimes you just run into a buzzsaw.

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Did he put the Bears in a reasonable position to win? If I look at the game thread I doubt that you blamed him for the loss.
You did;
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This loss is on Nagy and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky almost redeemed himself but Nagy coached like a fucking coward.
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopi ... 0#p3296289

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Looks like a dominant defensive performance to me. Hard to blame Mitch for that. Sometimes you just run into a buzzsaw.
There are stretches of offense against the Lions that look similar. Is the 3-11-1 team really a buzzsaw, or does Mitch just suck?

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Looks like a dominant defensive performance to me. Hard to blame Mitch for that. Sometimes you just run into a buzzsaw.
There are stretches of offense against the Lions that look similar. Is the 3-11-1 team really a buzzsaw, or does Mitch just suck?

You’re asking the wrong guy. They sure looked like a buzzsaw yesterday :lol:

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Did he put the Bears in a reasonable position to win? If I look at the game thread I doubt that you blamed him for the loss.
You did;
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This loss is on Nagy and (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky almost redeemed himself but Nagy coached like a fucking coward.
http://www.chicagofanatics.com/viewtopi ... 0#p3296289


You didn't though. I was admittedly emotional at the time and was close to succumbing to the (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky hate. I watched the rest of the season and that helped.

Tall Midget and Seacrest were 2 of the biggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky haters on this board and both have moderated their (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky opinions recently. You went entirely in the opposite direction despite positive results after your shift.

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Tall Midget and Seacrest were 2 of the biggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky haters on this board and both have moderated their (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky opinions recently. You went entirely in the opposite direction despite positive results after your shift.
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When the chips were on the table and they needed Mitch to step up and have big games against the Packers, the Charges, the Saints (off a bye), the Eagles, and Rams, he completely sucked.
And take it even back to week 1. Get a fucking touchdown against the Packers, and maybe the whole season shakes out different. Who knows.

Other than the Saints, score 24 points and the Bears win every one of those games. Asking (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to lead 3-4 scoring drives per game should not be too much to ask.

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Tall Midget and Seacrest were 2 of the biggest (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky haters on this board and both have moderated their (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky opinions recently. You went entirely in the opposite direction despite positive results after your shift.
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When the chips were on the table and they needed Mitch to step up and have big games against the Packers, the Charges, the Saints (off a bye), the Eagles, and Rams, he completely sucked.
And take it even back to week 1. Get a fucking touchdown against the Packers, and maybe the whole season shakes out different. Who knows.

Other than the Saints, score 24 points and the Bears win every one of those games. Asking (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to lead 3-4 scoring drives per game should not be too much to ask.


Yes, if only the Bears had Winston or Mariota they would be a playoff team.

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Yes, if only the Bears had Winston or Mariota they would be a playoff team.
Already covered that today;

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Had the Bears employed a better QB this season, it its not unreasonable at all to say they could have won at least two of these games; Packers, Oakland, San Diego, Philadelphia, and Packers.
10-6 and they would have been t he #6 seed by virtue of beating Minnesota twice. Glad to see you are finally coming to your senses.

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Yes, if only the Bears had Winston or Mariota they would be a playoff team.
Already covered that today;

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Had the Bears employed a better QB this season, it its not unreasonable at all to say they could have won at least two of these games; Packers, Oakland, San Diego, Philadelphia, and Packers.
10-6 and they would have been t he #6 seed by virtue of beating Minnesota twice. Glad to see you are finally coming to your senses.


I'm laughing at how ridiculous that statement is. You're too stubborn to see differently. Winston threw 6 or 7 touchdowns to the defense and threw more interceptions in 1 season than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has his entire career. All of this while playing most of the season with a WR who is superior to Allen Robinson in every way. But of course he would have won THOSE games.

Mariota hasn't played well since 2016 and was benched for a reject. Of course he would have come here and won THOSE games.

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Other than the Saints, score 24 points and the Bears win every one of those games. Asking (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky to lead 3-4 scoring drives per game should not be too much to ask.


This is really what it comes down to. The Bears' D gave the offense a shot in maybe 14 out of the 16 games. A couple got away, as is expected. The (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky apologist arguments would be way more persuasive if we're losing games by multiple TDs. But all the Bears really needed across the close games (GB, GB, SD, LA) they lost is perhaps 35-38 points. That's all it really comes down to. Those 35-38 points all things remaining equal would have swung the season in the direction of the playoffs. But inexplicably guys are blaming the defense (wtf?) and Allen Robinson.

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You’re asking the wrong guy. They sure looked like a buzzsaw yesterday :lol:
I don't think so. From the highlights I saw, there were MANY Packer WRs open in the first half and Rodgers flat out missed the throws. Maybe he was under the weather or something but he looked more like Mitch than ARod to start the day.

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I'm laughing at how ridiculous that statement is. You're too stubborn to see differently. Winston threw 6 or 7 touchdowns to the defense and threw more interceptions in 1 season than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky has his entire career. All of this while playing most of the season with a WR who is superior to Allen Robinson in every way. But of course he would have won THOSE games.
Stop putting words into my mouth to fit your own crazy argument.

I said if the Bears had a better QB, they likely win ten games and make the playoffs. I never said Winston was that guy.

If Mitch was a better QB he would have found a way to beat the Packers at least once. He would have found a way to beat a banged up west coast team in a noon kick on his home field. He would have found a way to put at least some points on the board during the first half in Philly. But he isn't a better QB, Nas. He is bottom 3rd of the league. You should want your team to win, and the way to win is to start looking for the next QB because Mitch ain't the guy.

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Mitch's failure means the Bears are back in the position of having to hope of catching lightning in a bottle with a veteran, drafting another rookie and hoping he's the guy, or hoping Mitch gets better.

That's a shitty position to be in.

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Despite all the TOs, Winston had a decidedly better season than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Eclipses him in QBR and passer rating. If they're both on the market and you had to pick one, I don't see why a GM would choose (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky over Winston.

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You’re asking the wrong guy. They sure looked like a buzzsaw yesterday :lol:
I don't think so. From the highlights I saw, there were MANY Packer WRs open in the first half and Rodgers flat out missed the throws. Maybe he was under the weather or something but he looked more like Mitch than ARod to start the day.

That’s Rodgers now. He’s not the 2011 guy anymore. Truthfully there isn’t a ton that separates him and Mitch anymore.

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Despite all the TOs, Winston had a decidedly better season than (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky. Eclipses him in QBR and passer rating. If they're both on the market and you had to pick one, I don't see why a GM would choose (Pro Bowl QB) Trubisky over Winston.

I do. Mitch is a better QB and you’re going to win more games with him.

Don’t reference QBR unless you’re prepared to say Mitch was a top 3 QB in the league last year.

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