everything is relative

That's ultimately what is being advocated.

Good luck with that as your code

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A good friend of mine's daughter is going through this transition right now. They actually made it into a two part documentary on one of the cable stations last year. Think she started the process at 15 or 16 and to the best of my knowledge the mother wasn't all that uncomfortable with it. She had issues with the daughter but I don't believe that the issues had much to do with her having a sex change.

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If the kid wants to paint his nails and dress like Dwyane Wade that's one thing. If the kid wants to grow breasts that's entirely different.

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Incorrect

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Why?

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like I said, the kid grew up in a house where there was a reward for this discovery

A kid has to make a name in the family somehow....the smart one, the athletic one.

A witch is coming to my room and tormenting me every night.

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Take all the hormones and mutilate the body, at the end I f the day is a man with a mental illness.

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because the breasts do not grow without countravening nature while painting nails is a question of fashion taste

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Fair enough.

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That's a life and body altering decision that a child shouldn't make. Where do you draw the line? Do you get your teenage daughter breast or butt augmentation surgery because she isn't happy with her body? Do you punt on immunizations because your kid read something online? Do you pass on life saving treatment because your 12 year old doesn't want it?

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That escalated quickly.

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Zion is a gender neutral name to begin with

In fact, it is more frequently used in relation to daughters

I'm sure the celebrity parents chose the name for its historical significance rather than how it sounded and were able to give their child proper counsel on the matter

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I'm guessing a Bravo reality show will be announced in the next couple months.

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I'd suspect this boy was told from the age of 3 that he could choose to be a boy or girl.

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No it didn't. Those are simple questions. Where do you draw the line as a parent?

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There was a time I thought Gabrielle Union was the most beautiful woman on the planet.

She is now 47

what is body altering surgery to a person who has already gone through body altering surgery

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I think it's less prevalent and what trans people there are are overrepresented in media.

Also, transitioning is not completely a one-way street, but it sure looks like an expressway at rush hour.

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Yes. You are literally arguing that it doesn't exist.

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She still looks good for 47. Has she had surgery? She seems like a gym rat.

I think "enhancement" surgery like breast implants or a tummy tuck is quite a bit different than, "Hey doc, turn this wang into a pink taco."

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How do you define "girl"?

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I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

Probably

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How are you defining "transgender"? If the definition is a girl who thinks she's a boy or vice versa, I'm certainly not arguing such people do not exist. What I'm arguing is that true gender dysphoria is much more rare than a boy believing he is a girl because he likes dolls more than football. If that's your definition of trans, then I'm trans.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

"Billy is not a real transsexual but he thinks he is...he tries to be. He's tried to be a lot of things I suspect"

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The first and most obvious question that a parent should probably ask a child claiming to be the opposite sex is why he or she thinks such a thing. And what do you suppose the answers might be?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

My knowledge of transgender stuff is limited to a few continuing legal education seminars so I do not consider myself an authority on this subject. What I understand is that a trans person doesn't necessarily believe they are the opposite gender, MANY simply feel their gender identity does not align with their physical sex. On paper that seems like a distinction without a difference, but from what I understand it is a sliding scale. This is a long way of saying not all trans people want to chop their dicks off.

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This was your initial statement 'The word "boy" has a meaning. The kid in question is obviously a boy.' This indicates that you believe that only genetics defines gender and therefore the concept of transgender doesn't exist and all adults who feel that way are mistaken.

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I don't think anyone is an authority on the subject. It's primarily a political position.

But you're hitting on exactly what I'm saying. The why of it. Why does a person feel their identity doesn't coincide with their physical sex? The obvious answer is because of the smothering and rigid roles that have been imposed by society. That's why indulging such thought is really conservative and narrow minded despite Golden Jet's desire to maintain his progressive bonafides.

Wade is basically agreeing with a ten year old that girls don't play basketball and boys don't wear makeup, instead of correcting the child's ill-informed opinions and opening up his young inexperienced mind.

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

How do you define "boy" then?

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Can you tell me where he's gone?
I thought I saw him walkin' up to The Hill
With Elon, Tulsi, and Don

That's an interesting question. If I said the answer included something like "A girl wears dresses and a boy does not" would you agree? What if I said "A girl plays with baby dolls and a boy plays with trucks"? What if I said "A boy has short hair and a girl has long hair"? At least traditionally, those are all fairly widely accepted gender roles.

What happens when a "boy" or "girl" wants to do things not associated with their gender in those questions?

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