https://www.nationalgeographic.org/this ... agreement/

Your dishonesty is never surprising. How frequently with which you lie though, and the acceptance of it by many here is very informing though.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Well I certainly believe numbers from Oriental Review a website that blames coronavirus on Jews. Not surprising considering who posted it.



https://orientalreview.org/2020/03/31/p ... al-battle/

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Damn, Darkside, you really know your WW2 history.

Impressive.

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Sex isn't dirty, sex isn't a crime. It's a loving act between two or more consenting adults.

-Hank Kingsley

Hitler was #resistance, damn

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Can you cite anything a you cite anything that I ever posted that is Anti Semitic? If you can't then you're lying.

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It really isn't much of a coincidence that you'd be the person familiar with their particular affinities is it?

Also can you cite anything Anti Semitic that I have ever posted on here? Seeing as how I am one of "the protected guys" whose posts don't get edited or deleted then it shouldn't be difficult.

If you do not then you're lying.

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You’ve repeatedly said Israel should not exist. And you read a d cite anti-Semitic websites.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

No I asked that you "cite" it. Since I have "repeatedly" said it it should not be difficult to cite. Remember I'm "protected" so my posts don't get deleted. If you cannot then you are lying.

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Thought I'd raise you one Darko
https://www.secondworldwarhistory.com/ww2-quotes.php

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DS, LTG, Antarctica, Tommy and chas

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Be well

GO BEARS!!!

Again I had to raise you one Darko. Your knowledge of the subject pushed me to dig a little deeper than I wanted to go but thanks. I needed to brush up on some of this stuff anyway.

In FDRs own words to the country.

Here you go.

http://docs.fdrlibrary.marist.edu/072843.html

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Given the USa population and industrial capacity,whomever they took on it was only a matter of time that they would win. The question was how long would it take.From 44 on all the major countries where starting to have manpower issues. Uk was scrapping entire divisions to keep others in the field. The USA was was turning technical troops into infantry,the USA has always had a problem with that. The Russians just made their units leaner and smaller. Germans well they did a number of measures to both keep existing units in the field as well as raise new ones.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Chas you understand this (to an extent ) The war didn't start in 44 though. It was 5 years in at that point. You really didn't expect the Germans and Japanese to punch pause so that the Americans could catch up did you? You also know that one of the biggest advantages that We had was that the war wasn't fought on U.S. soil. That allowed us to rapidly mobilized while the infrastructure of other countries were being ravaged.

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All of this overlooks one key and relevant fact.

Stalin asked for the other allies to open up a 2 front and they refused. They had a chance to invade France much earlier in the war and they refused Roosevelt even promised Stalin that he would and reneged. Churchill detailed why. They wanted nothing to do with fighting Germany in Europe. They were afraid of taking heavy casualties.

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Exactly. Precisamente.

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"Play until it hurts, then play until it hurts to not play."
http://soundcloud.com/darkside124 HOF 2013, MM Champion 2014

Thoughts?

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My thoughts are that the Russians fought like animals. They were pushed back to Lenningrad. Here, in mid September 41, Hitler makes a big mistake. He orders lenningrad to be starved rather than stormed. This allows the Russians to fortify and counterattack. These were successful, greatly boosting Russian moral. Hitler breaks off two panzer divisions to assault Kiev.
Kiev was a victory for the Germans. They claim to have killed over a half million Russian troops.
It ultimately led to Hitler's confidence in launching Operation Typhoon, October 1941. Remember, to Hitler, Crimea and kiev were primary objectives. His plan was to economically and morally defeat Russia. We know how Typhoon ended. The Russians would not be broken. Women and children built moats and trenches behind a line of 90k men.
And here is where Hitlers speedy advance cost them. By late October well over half of their vehicles were inoperable. Supply lines were broken. The Germans were still outfitted with warm weather gear. The tanks could not be supported.
Stalin had a few advantages now. All local manufacturing was converted to weapons. He pulls a move trump would appreciate. November 7, he marches his troops directly thru red square and straight to the front. The russian people were morally fortified. The Soviets counterattack from three rings of quality defensive positions. Home field advantage. Although german advances brought the lines close enough to see the city of moscow, an unforeseen condition greatly slowed the attack.
Winter of 41, 42 may have been one of the coldest on record in the area. Hundreds of thousands of germans were disabled by frostbite. Weapons were using grease designed for hot weather. The soviets were prepared. They had buildings to go to to warm in some cases.

Ultimately, the will of the Russians coupled with the over extended German logistical lines and terrible weather kept Moscow from falling.

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True,We had two big oceans protecting us. Gave us a tremendous advantage. You are also incorrect in your date as to when the start of the war was, it was not 1939. It was now listen by most historians as being as 1937 when the Marco Polo incident occurred. You can really if you want date it to the Spanish Civil War as most nations where involved in one way or the other just not in direct confrontation.
Another thing a lot of people do not realize is that the Germans did not go on full war production until 1943 and women where not fully used in war production until the last year of the war. Germany,ie Nazi, economy was a plunder/slave system. It was by necessity geared to constant war and conquest. Once it started it had to keep going or it would fall apart. Some historians believe if The Kriegsmarine would have not built large surface ship and instead put the resources into Uboats the Brits would have been beat in 40,41 by the latest.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

One of the reasons why Leningrad held was the Finns did not press them as hard as they could and should have.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Interesting. Most stories I've read blame the siege strategy demanded by Hitler against the advice of his commanders.

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Yeah, the movie Windtalkers about the Navajo code-talkers was a pretty good movie about that.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Sure, LTG, better call Crest to delete one of my posts again. How do you like to be treated like a protected spoiled child, anyway?

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Dude. C'mon please. We're having a civilized conversation here.

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It’s not civil to pull numbers from clear propaganda websites and present them as facts. Also, I’m not even sure what the debate is anymore it went from America wasn’t important in WW2 to Russia did more. The former is ridiculous and the latter is not in dispute in terms of battlefield casualties. As for Germany being stronger than the United States. They couldn’t defeat Britain.

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Why are only 14 percent of black CPS 11th-graders proficient in English?

Not to be an ahole, but LTG is taking sly jabs at everyone in this thread. Look at his last response to me. Dude ca not help insulting people. Thinks he is better than everyone.

Now, As we all have a lot of time on our hands. I book I recommend on the Allied side of the war and why some things where done the way they where read,Blood,Tears and Folly by Len ZDeighton. He goes into why things got done. Like the width of the Sherman. Why was it that size? SO they could fit as many as possible into each cargo ship. Almost All American planning was centered aropund logistics. It was why we did not build bigger tanks in Europe like the rest of the combatants. What did we do in response? slapped armor on in theater to the point that the suspension was almost unable to handle it.

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When I am stuck and need to figure something out I always remember the Immortal words of Socrates when he said:"I just drank what?"

Sorry I missed this post earlier.
My understanding is that Stalin panicked in his request to open a second front august 1941. It would seem he believed that opening a western front would divert resources away from his eastern front. I think churchill believed that they were so unprepared to launch such an offensive that germany would be able to absorb it without redeployment of their eastern divisions. As it turned out, with three additional years of buildup and preparation on the allies behalf, the offensive was a narrow victory with tremendous losses.

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I do not believe that FDR would have let England fall and would have declared war on both Germany and Italy. It might not have been a super popular decision as there were some pretty strong isolationists but the US and FDR would have probably picked a fight with Hitler. Maybe it would have been the sinking of US ships by HItler's Uboats or something else, but something would have happened to spark a US reaction and a war declaration.

I also think and immediate action in the form of a draft would have occurred that would mostly have been dispatched to England along with a deployment of the majority of the Pacific fleet to merge with England already formidable naval forces and aircraft would have occurred. Later airborne and invasion forces and the heavy equipment required to prosecute the invasion would arrive and basically what eventually would result in the Normandy invasion would occur but earlier by at least a year.

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An Ode to the Texas man who shot an Antifa terrorist:

Oh, he might have went on livin'
But he made one fatal slip
When he tried to match the Ranger
With the big iron on his hip

Once again, it's time to recommend Molotov Cocktail, which I purchased for fiddy cent at Woolworth's in Ford City in sixth grade. Sex scene in chapter two. (I've got to hide this book, I thought; my mom, mother to over a baker's dozen children, wouldn't even let Carl Sagan's Cosmos in the house, much less a book that talked about sex. I also left the sex scene out of my United Nations report on Finland that year.)

Talked about the heroic young Finns fighting off on the Viet Russia. Left out the shit about the Nazis, but nadie es perfecto.

That's fair. I just told him I wouldnt click the link. Whether he knew what he was linking to or not I don't know.

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She sounded hot, too. The chick in the book. I think her name was LaSauna Heikkennenalatta.

Also, in my report, I got teary-eyed at the discrimination against Laplanders. Long live the Sámi!! #resistance #suomi4all