I'm going way back for this one. AWA champion Greg Gagne. And his father.

Dammit, you beat me to it. Verne just got old, plus MN was his territory. But Greg was awful and unconvincing.

It's Thursday night before a big loop and you have to choose to put the belt on one of two promoters' sons ... Greg Gagne (not the baseball player) or Mike Graham ... who ya got?

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

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I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

It's Thursday night before a big loop and you have to choose to put the belt on one of two promoters' sons ... Greg Gagne (not the baseball player) or Mike Graham ... who ya got?

Mike graham.

I just cant do the women's wrestling. I know that is bad and all, but I just can't. Becky Lynch is interesting once in awhile. Charlotte Flair occasionally. But I just don't like it. I have tried and tried, but I just can't get myself to like it.

During this lock down my daughters and I have been watching a ton of wrestlemanias. And as we made our way into more recent ones my 16 yr old daughter said, "Dad why are they now showing so many more woman's matches? I don't really like them they don't look real. Can we just fast forward past them?" I smiled and said, YES, YES we can!

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Overrated by whom? the company or the fans? Because those will yield wildly different answers.

I peaced out on WWE about 15 years ago, but I still pick up enough signal to know about the whole Roman Reigns thing. As for being overrated by fans, I always thought there was something kind of lame about the New Age Outlaws. I don't expect this to be a popular opinion.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Anyone putting xpac and greg fucking gagne in the same category needs their head examined. Xpac was not the greatest by any stretch but he is worlds better than Gagne in every way possible.

New age outlaws could be considered overrated if just talking actual wrestling in the ring. But they were wayyyy over and made the company a ton of money and roaddog could talk his ass off. So in my opinion they are not overrated.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

XPac was garbage. Better than Gagne but not by much. He was bad technically and also not a power guy either. He went unnoticed until the DX thing came along and even then he was still regarded as weak. Hell Chyna was even more highly regarded than he was.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

XPac was garbage. Better than Gagne but not by much. He was bad technically and also not a power guy either. He went unnoticed until the DX thing came along and even then he was still regarded as weak. Hell Chyna was even more highly regarded than he was.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

I guess I could never find Billy Gunn cool. Even as a kid I guess there was always something that never sat right with me about Billy Gunn trying to be the pinnacle of cool, or the 1-2-3 Kid ripping off Tupac. Like, why should Sean Waltman from Minneapolis be appropriating Tupac? Looking back, I can see now how bizarre it was the way wrestling in the late '90s would kind of half-understand emergent alternative and hip-hop cultures and then regurgitate them through white guys from Tampa. It was weird with the Outsiders, too.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Before he got injured and fucked up all the time, he was solid. Some of his cruiserweight matches in WCW with Rey and Juvi were great.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

You're in Not Even Wrong territory here, Waltman was so highly regarded by Vince that he was used as a human measuring stick against other wrestlers to see how well they could work -- if Waltman couldn't get a good match out of someone, that guy was beyond help.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Before he got injured and fucked up all the time, he was solid. Some of his cruiserweight matches in WCW with Rey and Juvi were great.

The future holds the possibility to be great or terrible, and since it has not yet occurred it remains simultaneously both.

Well, good thing he was never overrated by the fans, we have the term "X-Pac Heat" for a reason.


Yeah, the nWo needed a guy who could actually work in the ring. Hall and Nash weren't really workers, and Bagwell always sucked.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

Vince pushing guys that weren't really all that good in the ring wasn't exactly anomalous. I don't know one main event performer that ever needed to be put over by XPac.

As a solo Wrestler he was a Mid Carder at best.

Who said he was anything but?

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

I guess I missed that ... where?

Well, good thing he was never overrated by the fans, we have the term "X-Pac Heat" for a reason.

You're in Not Even Wrong territory here, Waltman was so highly regarded by Vince that he was used as a human measuring stick against other wrestlers to see how well they could work -- if Waltman couldn't get a good match out of someone, that guy was beyond help.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.

Ok if we're talking about guys who could do shit in the ring, that's an entirely different thread.

X-Pac was a good worker before injuries and drugs. Never a top tier guy but a fine second/third level guy.

I have MANY years of experience in trying to appreciate steaming piles of dogshit.

Yeah Xpac was a good worker. And you have to take in consideration more than just his WWF days.

Someone said that Hall was not a worker. That is a bad thought too. Granted his NWO days were not his best, but the dude could go. In his AWA and Razor Ramon days he was really good. We cannot just judge people on part of their career.

This is going to reach a head pretty soon.

If we're talking 'could do shit in the ring', not in any order ...

Bret
Kurt
Dean
Rey
Jericho
Lance Storm
Liger
Tanahashi
Muta
Tajiri
Ultimo Dragon
Juvi
Psychosis
Dynamite Kid
Eddie
Steamboat
AJ
Omega

There are of course MANY more but that's what just fell out of my head.

There is not a damned thing wrong with people who are bull shitters.